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    If my 3D printer has a problem, it’s not working properly.

    When my 2D printer throws a fit, it’s because it’s doing its job of being a vicious piece of shit perfectly.

    Important difference.

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      3D printer: failed the print because you tried to print a whole ass gun in 30 minutes. 2D printer: failed the print because you tried to print a picture of a duck and the DRM detected it as a copyrighted image.

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    The thing is, we definitely could have 100% reliable printers with good reparabilty, but capitalism gotta capitalism

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      Just get a color laser printer, learn how to refill toner carts and buy or flash the chips. Even a monkey can do that! /s

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        Scraping those fucking chips off the cartridges like a crackhead scraping resin is a nightmare.

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          My last flash was a random ass script I found on github and 3 alligator clips one the chip pads to reset it, jabky af but felt soooo nice being able to reset it on my own.

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    we have nailed 2D printers. enshittification in the name of profits ruined them. i recommed epson eco-tank printers by the way. no subscription and one 10€ bottle lasts for hundreds of pages.

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      Well, lets not forget hidden codes on printed paper so rhey could be traced back to a specific device. Thats not really nailing it since that was before enshittification.

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        You’re acting like that wasn’t a feature specifically added… That’s textbook enshit

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      Some 3D printer companies tried enshittifying, like DaVinci. Fortunately, they got out maneuvered by companies making printers that were almost cheap garbage, but just good enough, like Creality.

      A lot of that has to do with open sourcing the designs, and that it doesn’t take a major research arm to design a 3d printer. Getting a 2d printer to align ink to 300dpi is pretty difficult, and even more so with color. 300dpi isn’t even that impressive. That industry is tied up in patents and trade secrets, and it’s difficult for a new competitor to emerge. Conversely, I know people who designed top notch 3d printers out of their personal workshop.

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        hey, leave my ender 3s alone. they’re trying their best. honestly, these machines are unstoppable if you’re willing to spend money on spare parts every once in a while. my 3 pro can print TPU with the stock bowden setup and an upgraded extruder.

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          People often shit on the cheap Creality printers, and sure, the quality control is not great (and don’t expect any customer support), but I’m having significantly fewer problems with my Ender 3 V2 at home than we are at work with our Snapmaker 2.0 A350 (costs about 5-10 times at much).

          I’ve had my V2 for a few years, and after getting a textured PEI spring steel build plate and changing the bed springs, it’s been super reliable and consistent. No other upgrades needed so far.

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      Isn’t it the printer that brick itself when the purge-sponge is ultimately soaked with ink ?

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        mine has worked for years, and it went through 2 refills without issue. even if it did, cleaning a sponge sounds like easy maintenance.

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          That one is a hard limit. Changing does not clear the error. Tho people have hacked around it if I remember correctly.

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            there is a way to clean the sponge and reset the counter with 3rd party software. epson could have just put a menu option to reset that into the printer. but they might have already solved that problem. my printer is way newer than the ones i saw articles and videos about.

            10$ every 18.000 pages sounds like a good deal though.

            https://youtu.be/sDsdLoaMX-w?si=KyoMarW-1rwYZURY

            my model can apparently be reset much more easily

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      I rarely print anything but when I do it is almost always documents.

      I bought a brother laser printer. It’s only black and white but it has been flawless on every device I want to print from. I expect the starter cartridge to last me at least another year and any replacement will have a larger capacity.

      The ink jet that got replaced would have had at least 3 cartridge changes by now and those easily cost more than what I spent on the laser printer.

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        Totally doable, use a multicolor printer and print it like 3 layers thick - you’ll get thin flexible plastic sheets.

        Not actually practical, but totally doable lol

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          Just do a midprint filament swap… Looking at getting into TPU at the moment, it might actually be a fun way to have my kid hand something short in. 3 layers of white, 0.12mm per layer, swap to black and print 3 layers more. I’d be concerned about stringing and delamination. But it’s pretty close to the heated bed, so mostly stringing. Fuckit we’re going to try!

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        Easy enough to convert it to a pen plotter. You can 3d print the attachment first, then use it to have it move a pen around with G-code.

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        3d print it onto a plastic tablet like you’re sending it to Ea-nāṣir

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        Totally could

        You’d need two filament colors, and it would take a while just to do one page. If it’s a five pager then it could take hours. And then you’d have to turn in a big stack of plastic slabs. If you accidentally print a typo-

        … Yeah, point taken

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    The problem is we deliberately make everything wrong so that it breaks. You can’t buy a good product once capitalism gets into full swing, because everything that justified its existence was a lie and the only thing that matters is money - not the world, not the people, just this fake paper bullshit that isn’t really worth anything and is just a status symbol that allows you to buy more status symbols.

    When most people use the word removedry, this is the sort of thing they’re describing, not gay people. The word was evolving in this direction before everyone decided to pull a “satanic panic” on it.

    edit: lmfao the word is autoremoved, case in point. why we doin so much censorship here? reddit is not a model to follow

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    And I’m over here, with a laser printer, laughing at everyone’s “printer not working” issues. Hasn’t let me down ever and is a speed demon.

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      And I’m over here, with a laser printer with 20 year old HP inkjet printer, laughing at everyone’s “printer not working” issues. Hasn’t let me down ever and is a speed demon. but the high-DPI setting takes 20 minutes per A4 page to create near-laser quality.

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      Laser printers are definitely the way to go, but still not 100% without problems. Every once in a while I get some bullshit messages about my magenta toner not being compatible, but unplugging it for a minute seems to fix it.

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        A Brother, no idea what model or anything, googled a bit and took the most recommended color one

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            Inkjet sucks when you use it for anything other than regular work. Most people need to print out a few pages each month, maybe a package label for a courier or sth. Inkjets tend to dry out and stop working if you use them that way

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        Haha. It sounds like it’d work for low volume prints. Imagine waiting hours for a stack of paper to print.

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    In my 10 years of being a High School Robotics teacher i find that my group has less problems with the 3d printers than the 2d printers.

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    Colour laser printers have been around for long enough that they’re a decent value. If you buy cheap HP inkjet slop, don’t blame capitalism when they try to wring you for more money

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      I have one of these at work. It throws a fit roughly 5 times a day.

      One occasional issue is that it claims it has a blockage, it doesn’t, it wants you to open and close one of the doors.

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    The irony is that making an Open Source 3D Printer is far more accessible and affordable than making an Open Source 2D printer.

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    No, 2d printer tech is fine. It’s the ink scam cycle for them that are the problem. There’s literally no functional reason they couldn’t all use the exact same few cartridges. Capitalism ruins everything.

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    Resin printers are the laser printers (in a few cases, literally) of the 3D world.

    Filament are the inkjets, super likely for something to go horribly wrong because of a tiny miscalculation.

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      Yeah except the ink is super toxic and will make your room smell awful and give you cancer for touching the final product for resin printers which generally isn’t true of your book report

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      Theres nothing inherently wrong with traditional 3D printers though? You can get high reliability from multiple printers on the market.