Nakba doesn’t convey the severity of this. At least in English. An ethnic cleansing, a genocide, a destruction of the people. More descriptive terms for the English audience
The Palestinian Holocaust
Nakba conveys it just fine if you have read history.
Nakba is a term I’ve never heard of until 2 weeks ago.
I’m not the most well-read person on the planet, but I have a decent amount of world history knowledge. I imagine most people don’t know what nakba means if they’re not already involved with Palestine history.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=Nakba&hl=en-US
For me it’s like when Jewish people say something is a pogrom. The historical context behind it has some bearing.
per they article they’re being forced to leave & go anywhere else. that’s not genocide.
So tomorrow if I come armed and evict you from your home, along with your family that would be okay, because there are other places where you can go and live? Is this what you are trying to tell us?
Let’s be charitable. That’s not what they’re saying.
They’re saying it doesn’t fit the murder everybody definition of genocide, which is a fair position. However, Genocide is more broadly defined by the UN, and ethnically cleansing a region, is a part of an overall genocide.
Update: I should not have been charitable…
is forcing people to go anywhere else actually “ethnically cleansing” though? to me, that terminology is best described as rounding everyone of a certain ethnic background up, shooting them all, burying the bodies, and then moving on to the next group.
this isnt that.
If you want an area of land with a single ethnicity, to clean the area so it is pure for that ethnicity, that is a form of ethnic cleansing.
If you take a city and say all people who are not genetically x, or believe in religion y, must leave. That is a form of ethnic cleansing, you are cleaning the area for a specific ethnicity.
The cleansing doesn’t have to involve death, could just involve displacement, or even The ability to have children.
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, and religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making a region ethnically homogeneous.
eh… using a definition that broad would mean that most asian countries are guilty of ethnic cleansing. a lot of african countries would qualify too, as would many european nations (other than, you know, germany).
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asiancountries are guilty of ethnic cleansingYes, they are/have been. Almost all countries have committed horrible atrocities in the past or present. That doesn’t make this not ethnic cleansing or not atrocious.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ethnic_cleansing
The word has a very clear meaning. I’m sorry you don’t like that definition, but the reason we have dictionaries is so that we can agree on definitions.
How would you describe ethnically purifying an area?
Yes, ethnic cleansing is very common in human history… You’re right. Lots of countries are guilty of it. Doesn’t make it any less bad just common
a textbook case of genocide - Raz Segal - JewishCurrents
I’m no genocideoligist, but Raz Segal is.
Raz Segal (Hebrew: רז סגל) is an Israeli historian residing in the United States who directs the Master of Arts in Holocaust and Genocide Studies program at Stockton University
In the linked above article, he walks through the definition of genocide, and the actions taken. It fits the definition.
When you’re a genocideologist everything looks like genocide.
It’s inherent to his genocideology
Does studying the occurrences and causes of genocide make you unable to correctly identify them? I would think it to be the opposite, them being able to better identify and understand current genocides or events and actions that might lead to one.
Genocide is a rather simple word. It’s a contraction of geno (race) with cide (murder/killing). Anyone telling you they’ve needed to study the meaning of the word for more than 2 minutes is either a moron or a liar
You have spent more then 2 minutes discussing genocide here with us today, have you not used more then 2 minutes of thought in all your posts?
Writing a book on genocide would take more then 2 minutes. Writing a catalog of all known genocides would take more then 2 minutes. Writing up the definition of genocide would take more then 2 minutes, getting two people to agree on a definition would take FOREVER. Getting 152 countries to agree on the definition of genocide would take years…
Taking a complex issue, and being reductive to the point of absurdity isn’t being helpful.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Life in Zanuta, a Palestinian village atop a windy ridge in the desolate south Hebron hills, deep in the occupied West Bank, has never been easy.
The community are mostly herders who raise goats and sheep through the barren landscape’s scorching summers and freezing winters, and who have steadfastly refused to leave their homes despite the mounting difficulties posed by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) soldiers on one hand and radical Israeli settlers on the other.
Armed settlers – some in reservist army uniforms, some covering their faces – have begun breaking into their homes at night, beating up adults, destroying and stealing belongings, and terrifying the children.
On Monday, men and women cried as they dismantled their homes and haphazardly packed solar panels, animal feed and personal belongings on to pickup trucks.
Masafer Yatta, a collection of shepherding hamlets including Zanuta, is in area C, the sparsely populated 60% of the West Bank under full Israeli control and under threat of annexation.
In Zanuta on Monday, pickup trucks trundled down the dirt track to the main road, full to the brim; they came back empty a few hours later to collect more belongings from the destroyed community.
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So now that the whole advanced world is supporting (fervently in some cases) this ethnic cleansing, how do we move forward? It is clear that palestinians will not remain the area, the question is whether to kill them all, or to exile them.
Considering that this is a (heavily) US-backed ethnic cleansing , it is only fair that the palestinians be cleansed into Jordan, which is the US protectorate in the area. One can understand why Egyptians (one of the few actual nation-states in the region) don’t want 2 million refugees, so there seems to be no other option. The US should come forward and start discussing this. The option to turn millions of palestinians to the EU as refugees is not going to be met with the passivity that the waves of immigrants of syrians, afghans, africans and ukrainians have. I think people can see the pattern here, the continuation of the Cold War, when europe acts as a bulwark for the US , taking all the damage for the shit the US does.
I’m sure you don’t mean to offend, but the phrase “whole civilized world” being used to describe just the US + parts of western Europe is questionable at the very best.
Nakba is David vs Goliath except David is a fascistic terrorist organization and ever-growing Goliath kicks the shit out of David every time.
Perhaps don’t rely on a religious fascism for your liberation? Have you ever tried that?
You’re trying so hard to describe Hamas but ended up describing Israel in the process.
It’s depressing that the world thinks Palestinians want every Jew dead, but there’s actually only one side saying “Death to all [race]” and it’s the Israelis.
Meanwhile, Hamas rewrote its charter to remove antisemitism and declare its resistance to Zionism rather than Judaism, but they can’t be trusted because they’re evil muslims, and the Israelis are descendants of god (white Europeans).
So Israel is David?
Come on, my analogy wasn’t that difficult.
It was pretty bad.
fascistic terrorist organization is clearly the government of Israel.
“Goliath kicks the shit out of David every time.” is however not Palestine, because sadly the genocide Israel is committing is indictive of it’s superior invading force against innocent families.
Ok, I’ll spell it out to you. In my analogy:
- David: fascistic government of Palestine (also called Hamas)
- Goliath: Israel
I’m aware that in 1 Samuel 17, David is Isrealites, whereas Goliath represents Philistines. My analogy is a kind of a subversion of this traditional story.
The government of greater Palestine is Fatah.
If you want to condemn a group, call them by their name, Hamas. Conflating the people of Palestine, the country of Palestine and Hamas is a disservice to humanity. It helps to dehumanize and we should avoid that
You’re right. I should’ve said “fascistic government of Gaza (also called Hamas)”. It’s often easy to conflate these, because they themselves call Gaza Palestine and themselves as palestinians.
Yes. Fascist governments like to conflate their ideology, and the people who suffer under them.
David: fascistic government of Palestine (also called Hamas)
I think @Deceptichum’s point is that Hamas isn’t the government of Palestine,
has never been the governmenthas only been the ruling party of the of the Palestinian Authority from 2006-2007, and didn’t exist in the Gaza Strip before 1988. Calling the various Palestinian organizations that opposed Israel’s aggression against Arabs ‘Hamas’ and labeling them collectively as ‘fascist’ seems absurd, given Israel is the other candidate in the analogy.Your analogy is terrible, not because people don’t understand the subversion, but because you’re wrong about basic facts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election
On 20 February, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was nominated to form a new government. The new government with Haniyeh as Prime Minister was sworn in on 29 March. These were the last contested elections to be held before Hamas took over the Gaza Strip in 2007; no new elections have been held since.
Thanks for the clarification. I’ve updated my comment to be more accurate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Authority
In the Palestinian legislative elections on 25 January 2006, Hamas emerged victorious and nominated Ismail Haniyeh as the Authority’s Prime Minister. However, the national unity Palestinian government effectively collapsed, when a violent conflict between Hamas and Fatah erupted, mainly in the Gaza Strip. After the Gaza Strip was taken over by Hamas on 14 June 2007, the Authority’s Chairman Mahmoud Abbas dismissed the Hamas-led unity government and appointed Salam Fayyad as Prime Minister, dismissing Haniyeh. The move wasn’t recognized by Hamas, thus resulting in two separate administrations – the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and a rival Hamas government in the Gaza Strip.
