The United States is warning Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to rein in “extremist” settlers in the West Bank in the wake of reports of violence against Palestinians. “We…

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    Yea most Israelis agree it’s fucked too.

    Cops are bastards and let it happen, local troops help.

    One silver lining is the Israeli Left is having a resurgence and there might be a government trying to roll it back and clean up it’s act after this.

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      Isrealis have repeatedly voted for governments that openly state they want settlement construction to kill any viable Palestinian state (Netanyahu and his far-right pals).

      If the whole of Gaza can be held responsible for voting for Hamas in 2006 (and not once after since Hamas did away with elections), the whole of Isreal can be held accountable.

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        I don’t think either population is morally responsible for what their so-called leaders do. Subsets of them, sure, but Israelis or Palestinians as a whole? Not a chance. People are not responsible for actions they had no hand in, or which they actively opposed.

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          I totally agree.

          I’m just following the logic of those who claim the carpet bombing of Gaza is acceptable because the Palestinians once voted for Hamas.

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              Any before and after photos of entire demolished Gaza neighbourhoods makes it clear what a farce your claim is.

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                May you never experience a true carpet bombing.

                The death toll would be in the 100k+

                In Dresden in the B link 60k died in one night.

                Didn’t work for his defense then doesn’t now. It’s the basis of the laws of war and Geneva Conventions.

                As it turns out a place the size of jersey city with 500km of tunnels is entrenched

                It’s not a claim it’s a fact that Gaza isn’t being carpet bombed. Overlay the maps of damage from satellite imagery with where tunnels were known to be previously in public knowledge.

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                  In Dresden in the B link 60k died in one night.

                  It’s not every day that you hear propaganda from the 40’s. The total death toll of the Dresden carpet bombings was 25k.

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          Really funny how people down vote you because they believe in collective punishment as long as it’s the side they don’t like.

          Which is the status quo for the region.

          Still doesn’t change the Geneva Conventions definition of a military target.

          Meanwhile over in Pakistan there’s massive protests for Palestine nominally. As they are genociding 1.4 million Afghan refugees. https://www.rferl.org/a/pakistan-afghanistan-deportations-migrant-crackdown/32658618.html the stated reason is that the refugee population keeps suicide bombing stuff amongst other militant actions. Sound familiar?

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        The United States regularly votes for warmongers and theocrats, it doesn’t mean there aren’t a lot of Americans who think they’re wrong.

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        Yeah except the person you’re responding to probably doesn’t hold all of Gaza responsible for what Hamas has done since being voted into power.

        Also, the Israeli left actually now has their own egotistically altruistic motive to shut down the settler shit, that being that shutting off the valve of right of return and no longer counting the votes of settlers in the west bank gives them an electoral edge.

        And after the shit Bibi’s pulled, you could bet good money that the courts would look the other way on them doing it too since the judges will for a long time see right wing governments as a threat to their judicial autonomy.