• afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    I hate how we have so many problems getting food standards correct. You got one extreme with the market cutting quality and you got the other extreme with government killing innovation. I should be able to buy a beer that was made by some microbrewer madman with strange taste combos I should also be able to buy real freaken ice cream not frozen dessert treat.

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      1 year ago

      I might be crazy sounding, but I don’t like the idea of innovating what goes in my body. There are eons and eons of dead humans that tried to be creative with what they ate. It’s not a game I personally want to play.

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        1 year ago

        Well I do. I like trying a beer that has notes of orange in it. I am sure I have some cans of Budweiser lying around you can have.

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          I’ve had Dill pickle beer, curry beer, habanero beers, and all sorts of weird beers. I love experimenting with crazy flavors lol. I might not drink them regularly, but it is fun to taste something you’ve never had before, whether it is good or bad.

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            I agree. This is the greatest era for beer drinkers in human history, meanwhile there are areas that have beer laws allowing for zero variation. A unit of beer with about as much heart, craftsmanship, and creativity as an metal i-beam or a plastic spoon. Yes this is what I want. In a very finite life with so much to experience I want to drink the exact same beer over and over again.

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              I totally agree. It’s incredible experiencing totally new flavor combinations. Why drink only the same lager all the time when there are so many new flavors to try.

              I’m also not afraid to have something I don’t like. Even if I hate a flavor, I’m always grateful to have tried it at least once.

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        Then you should be able to choose not to buy it, just as people should be able to choose to buy it.

        I think with sufficiently informed consent people should be able to buy raw milk that was sitting in a moldy bucket for two weeks.

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          Great concept. This requires regulation to force sellers to put all ingredients on packaging, and to test that those are accurate. Otherwise sellers lie and put chalk in bread.

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            If the buyers don’t trust the seller, or just want to know the information, they can refuse to buy any product without ingredients listed, trusted quality control stamp, date etc. Or they can decide to just blindly trust a seller if they want to. Let me buy my cheap chalk bread if I prefer / don’t care.

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              You can only buy what exists. In the capitalist race to the bottom, good things won’t exist at reasonable prices.

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                You can only sell what people are buying. In a truly free market, good things will exist at the price set by supply and demand, making the prices exactly that: reasonable.

                If I’m one supplier noticing you, another supplier, selling too expensive and/or bad quality products, nothing stops me from “stealing” your customers by simply selling better products than you, or lowering my prices, which forces you and other suppliers to reevaluate your price/quality.

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                  But that’s not how it works. That completely ignores things like barriers to entry, volume and scale, and the fact that people don’t have free and clear information.

                  When you look at economics the way you’re doing, it’s like looking at physics 101. In a vacuum with no friction. That is not how the real world works.

                  Source: I have an MBA and 20 years experience working for a global financial institution. Also, I have eyes and can see how things are.

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            What does disclosure laws have to do with rules like you can’t call it almond MILK and you can’t make beer out of wheat?

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              Because words have common meanings. You can’t say “contains milk” and have that be almond. There needs to be definitions of what is what.

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                I am thinking of several words to describe you and your elitist attitude that gives you the right to dictate to the rest of us what we can and can not do. Would you care to guess a few of them?

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                  You can write them in your diary if it helps you process the emotions. You may also want to workshop some actual counter points to my point.

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                  You are exactly the kind of people that buy “alkaline water” and then get mad when “alkaline” turns out to mean “causes liver damage” instead of “magic”.

                  No one wants to stop you from poisoning yourself, the rest of us would simply like for “not full of poison” to be a meaningful label on our food.

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          I agree. If you want to buy my piss in a bag, and we trust each other, no one should possess the power to stop our trade.

          But I don’t get the example you provided, since am already able to buy cheese in the shop!?

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          Yeah but then you’ve got some of those same regarded people filling up a baby bottles and feeding it to their kids. And then pikachu face there’s dead babies from bacteria infections.

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      It is hard writing rules for humans that they can’t game. In sales they had to constantly change the rules to prevent them from being gamed.

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      And if you want bird shit in your milk, you need to reduce regulations and oversight. It’s really a question about freedom.