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Nine progressive Democrats voted nay:
- Jamaal Bowman
- Andre Carson
- Cori Bush
- Al Green
- Summer Lee
- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
- Ilhan Omar
- Delia Ramirez
- Rashida Talib
They were joined by one Republican, Thomas Massie.
Six Democrats voted present on the resolution: Greg Casar, Joaquin Castro, Nydia Velázquez, Ayanna Pressley, Chuy Garcia and Pramila Jayapal.
Fuck Hamas though. Aiming for and killing civilians in hundreds is not a good thing.
Hamas exists because Israel have been oppressing Palestine for so long. It doesn’t mean they’re “the good guys”, just a reaction to violent oppression but with more violence.
That’s not why Hamas exists lmao. Who do you think they are, some sort of noble freedom fighters?
I’m not sure how you arrived at “noble freedom fighters” from what I said. The evidence is clear that they aren’t. Hamas has existed for almost as long as this conflict has and formed when Palestinian protests were met with violence. Hamas’s solution is to use violence against Israel which makes Israel respond with more violence. At the centre of all this are Palestinians who remain oppressed and now are in the crossfire.
I mean not really; they were formed in the 80s.
As time goes on it gets closer and closer to existing as long as the conflict has. We’re over the half way mark here
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You also forget to add that one of the main goals as denoted I the original Hamas charter is destruction of Israel. They are fighting for extermination of the Israel, while Israel is fighting for its security and the right to exist.
A settler colony founded on ethnic cleansing has no right to exist
Sure, that explains why United Nation overwhelmingly voted for formation of the state of Israel.
I didn’t know truth was a popularity contest
We are talking about the right of Israel to exist. And in international law voting in UN and acceptance by countries is how things are done.
Israel is fighting for it’s right to exist? What a deliriously stupid fucking statement, holy shit.
Thank you for not contributing into discussion, not presenting any argument.
Lol! You can’t “exterminate” a state, genius. It’s a state. You remember what those are?
Well, tell that to Hamas.
Israel is a colonial project that invaded Palestine. It has no right to exist.
This argument is 70 years old. And United nation disagrees by voting FOR formation of the state of Israel back then.
The UN also voted for the creation of Palestine and the Zionist settlers still wont allow it
That’s fair criticism, however, Gaza is independently governed and was not occupied. Hamas is the main reason why true 2 state solution is not possible at the present. Remove Hamas, remove terrorist organization in power in Gaza whose goal is to destroy Israel, then the 2 state solution is reality.
If you try to make Palestine state with Hamas in power, then the moment the borders are opened it will get more and more advanced armament to attack Israel. Why on earth Israel would agree to that?
Sure but after this resolves, you’ll happily go back to ignoring Israel’s daily crimes against Palestinians and just wait until Hamas does something else to start complaining again
Hamas is blowback for Israel’s insane policy of keeping people on reservations, denying them freedom and controlling all basic necessities and.
Israel is a fascist apartheid state 365 days a year
Me? No. I have always criticized Israel for what it was doing, but as long as “destroy Israel” attitude exists in Palestine, quite a few things were justified.
Israel bombed a refugee camp this week killing the entire family down to the grandchildren of a journalist it did not like. Hamas are bad guys doing bad shit no doubt about it, Israel are the bad guys though, it’s through their actions that all of this has come. They have displaced and systematically culled an entire people.
I’m not defending what Hamas did, but when your corner people and inch closer and closer to them, applying pressure and pressing down your boot you do not get to be surprised when they lash out.
Israel failed it’s people.
It is possible for a story to have two sets of bad guys.
Only one of them is attempting to eradicate the other and receiving support from western countries, up to and including military aid.
No, both of them are attempting to eradicate the other. It’s very true there’s a massive power disparity, and obviously Israel gets a huge amount of western support. Let’s not fool ourselves though: if Hamas had the power to genocide every Jew in Israel, they would.
DISCLAIMER BEFORE SOMEONE TRIES TO MISINTERPRET ME: Hamas only represents a small number of Palestinians, and the PLO has been entirely peaceful since the 90s. This in no way justifies Israel’s response.
That disclaimer is doing a lot to be fair, it is the legitimate government with the people’s support committing these atrocities while it is a terrorist organisation that seized control in Palestine that is doing it on the other side. While I’m not naive enough to think there is no support from eithers population it is the case that this situation has been pushed on Palestinians whereas Israel have opted for it.
For context, the numbers I’ve seen suggest it’s around 57% of Gazans have at least a “somewhat positive” view of Hamas. However, 62% of Gazans supported Hamas maintaining the ceasefire (ofc this was before the attack).
The crazy part is, that had Israel had a calm and measured approach, using targeted munitions on confirmed targets only, minimizing civilian casualties, kept the food+water+electricity flowing during the military action, and kept firm rule of law vs settler reprisal attacks in the west bank, they would have moved the needle on Hamas support.
Now they’ve all but guaranteed the radicalization of a new wave of terrorists for the foreseeable future. This unjustified violence is truly self-defeating.
And if Hamas were to disappear tomorrow who will oppose the Israelis?
You?
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Screw Israel government. Screw Hamas. Screw West Bank illegal settlements. Screw Netanyahu.
Support the civilians of Israel and Palestine.
Not that hard to take this stance.
Exactly.