Video from security cameras, mobile phones and body cameras screened to journalists
  • Kbobabob@lemmy.worldEnglish
    12630·
    11 months ago

    This is some serious whataboutism. Yeah, we know Hamas does this but that doesn’t make it ok to do what Israel is doing either.

    • PugJesus@kbin.social
      6212·
      11 months ago

      Unfortunately, some observers are casting doubts on the Hamas atrocities.

      That being said, I agree entirely that this is just a deflection attempt from Israel.

      • fosforus@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        02·
        11 months ago

        That being said, I agree entirely that this is just a deflection attempt from Israel.

        Just like the hospital strike initially was, before it turned out they did that themselves. The deflection wars started have.

        • Unaware7013@kbin.social
          102·
          11 months ago

          Yeah, the Germans skipped the decades and decades of a apartheid regime and skipped straight to open genocide after a handful of years of oppression.

          Clearly Israel should have listened better to how to get rid of the untermench living among them. /S

        • TokenBoomer@lemmy.worldEnglish
          44·
          11 months ago

          I see we’ve moved from appeal to emotion and whataboutism to Motte and Bailey, might I suggest an appeal to ignorance next.

      • iegod@lemm.eeEnglish
        153·
        11 months ago

        Yes, but this is disproportionate. The people are walled in, they have no prospects, they can’t go anywhere, they have no army. This bombing is disproportionate. This isn’t defense. It’s genocide.

        • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zipEnglish
          311·
          11 months ago

          War is disproportionate. It is not about “you shot two of my guys so I get to shoot two of your guys”. It is about beating your opponent to the point that the rich fuck on the throne decides it is not worth having his peasants fight anymore.

          Hamas, the de facto military and government of Gaza, attacked Israel. The IDF, the de jure military and de facto government of Israel are attacking Gaza. That is “war”

          Is it genocide? Yes. Have Israel’s government effectively been engaging in a slow genocide of the Palestinian people for decades? Yes

          But this is largely no different than the mass bombings of Japan and Germany in WW2. Or any east asian town the US could find in the 50s and 60s. It is just that, for all its OTHER human rights violations, the US was very “white glove” during our subjugation of Iraq and Afghanistan so people forgot what a mass bombing is. Because it is not like anyone cared about all the wars in Africa (brown people) and Eastern Europe.

          Do I think this is a horrific human rights abuse and real time genocide? Yes. But, again, that is “war”. And Hamas have mostly just bunkered down and tried to play the PR war (which is somehow working for a terrorist group…).

          This ends when Hamas surrenders or the IDF runs out of ammunition. Just like any siege. And if Hamas gave even the slightest shit about the Palestinian people? They would be negotiating to surrender to a third party and get tried in The Hague rather than allowing the IDF to take them alive.

          • iegod@lemm.eeEnglish
            64·
            11 months ago

            Stop and think about what you’re advocating here. You’re a piece of shit if you can justify even one civilian death here.

            • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zipEnglish
              26·
              11 months ago

              I am advocating for nothing. I am explaining what is happening and that this is how things have happened for hundreds of years.

              Well, no, that is a lie. I am advocating for the leaders of Hamas to turn themselves over to the international court so that this war can end. Avoid getting Disappeared by the IDF, but very much remove the “justification” for the IDF to siege Gaza.

    • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zipEnglish
      714·
      11 months ago

      Not really.

      It is more that, over the past few weeks, all the major talking points have been “did Hamas rape that specific woman” or “did Hamas decapitate that baby or just set it on fire and kick it around a bit” and so forth. And, regardless of what actually happened with that hospital, “the entire world” is going to always assume it was Israel.

      This is an attempt to point out how incredibly stupid all that was. because maybe Hamas raped the woman they stripped beat, and maybe killed (have we heard anything since her mother claimed she was in a hospital?). They definitely have raped plenty of other women. Maybe Hamas decapitated those babies and maybe they just burned them alive and desecrated their corpses. But they have decapitated plenty of other babies and people. And so forth

      Which is less about “Well, the IDF is justified for all their crimes against humanity now” and more “Well. Both sides are pretty evil and I guess this is a war?”

      • zerfuffleEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        If Hamas has raped other women and decapitated other babies, then show them? Don’t twist something that didn’t happen into something else if you clearly have evidence anyway. The only reasonable assumption for why Israel would do this is that Israel is operating in bad faith.

        • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          … That is exactly what is being done here?

          The footage, captured by security cameras, body cameras worn by the Hamas attackers, vehicle dashboard cameras, social media accounts and videos from mobile phones, left some reporters in tears. The material included the killing of children and decapitation of some victims.

          Another clip showed an Israeli woman inspecting a partially burned woman’s corpse to see if it was a family member. The victim’s dress was pulled up to her waist and her underpants had been removed. Maj Gen Mickey Edelstein, who briefed reporters after the viewing, said authorities had evidence of rape.

          • zerfuffleEnglish
            1·
            11 months ago

            Mickey Edelstein basically goes

            “Yeah dude there’s decapitated babies” then shows dead children and decapitated “victims.” Like, why didn’t you just say “decapitated adults” if you don’t have evidence of decapitated children?

    • eatthecake@lemmy.worldEnglish
      614·
      11 months ago

      So what you’re saying is noone is allowed to talk about the terrible things Hamas do, it’s only ok to talk about the terrible things Israel do? Any time someone says Hamas did a bad thing people like you immediately point to Israel and say “what about them”.

      Your hypocrisy is astonishing.

  • yumpsuit@lemmy.worldEnglish
    312·
    11 months ago

    Any latecomers to the thread are heartily encouraged to skip this comment section, stretch, relax their neck and shoulders, and drink some water.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldBEnglish
    51·
    11 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    Israeli authorities have shown harrowing footage of killings and mutilations during Hamas’s rampage in southern Israel on 7 October.

    The government showed the 43-minute compilation in a private screening for dozens of foreign journalists at a military base in Tel Aviv on Monday to counter what it said were attempts to deny or downplay the extent of the atrocities.

    The audience was not allowed to record the compilation but one excerpt, approximately one minute long, was released to the public: it showed Hamas militants flagging down a car as it drove slowly along a rural road.

    The gunmen open fire, hitting the vehicle, which swerved and halted, revealing two people slumped in the front seats.

    Still images showed a decapitated soldier, charred human remains, including those of young children, and several Islamic State flags, the Times of Israel reported.

    The screening took place amid renewed appeals to Israel to halt its bombing of Gaza, which killed at least 400 Palestinians in the past 24 hours, bringing the total death toll in the territory to more than 5,000, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.

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  • hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.questEnglish
    1013·
    11 months ago

    The audience was not allowed to record the compilation but one excerpt, approximately one minute long, was released to the public

    So 1 minute of verified footage?

    Edit: release the snyder cut

  • xc2215x@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1434·
    11 months ago

    The Hamas killings were terrible and started all of this in the first place.