The Israeli government on Monday screened for 200 members of the foreign press some 43 minutes of harrowing scenes of murder, torture and decapitation from Hamas’s October 7 onslaught on southern Israel, in which over 1,400 people were killed, including raw videos from the terrorists’ bodycams.
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The footage was collected from call recordings, security cameras, Hamas terrorists’ body cameras, victim dashboard cameras, Hamas and victims’ social media accounts, and cellphone videos taken by terrorists, victims and first responders. Over 1,000 civilians were slaughtered by the terrorists, and at least 224 people were abducted.
In semi-related news, the IDF claim to be holding over 1000 bodies of Hamas terrorists who entered Israeli territory on October 7th.
Wow, that must have been really hard to watch.
When you have a bunch of online edgelords constantly denying atrocities, this is what’s necessary, and I definitely applaud the journalists for having the stomach to watch this kind of stuff so that I don’t have to.
And before someone brings it up, I know it’s frustrating that truth is hard to reliably determine in war, but if your position really hinges on whether the neck of a murdered baby is intact or not, the plot has been thoroughly and utterly lost. And there are photos of burnt and bloodied dead children out there if you really care to look.
It’s a question of whether journalists are sharing facts or if they’re making shit up to sensationalize a story.
Facts matter.
Cool, now let’s see the bodycam footage from IDF soldiers.
Oh, that doesn’t fill a propaganda purpose to show IDF soldiers killing civilians and children, does it?
Hey, here’s a thought: there is no number of civilians killed by a terrorist organization that can justify the gov’t killing of thousands of civilians and non-combatants. If Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorists for murdering Israelis, then so is the whole fucking gov’t of Israel for murdering Palestinian non-combatants with indiscriminate bombing.
To expand on this, if you knew that there was a murderer in a crowd of 20 people, would you say that the gov’t had the right and duty to mow down that crowd with machine gun fire in order to prevent that person from killing again? Because that’s what the Israeli gov’t is doing.
If Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorists for murdering Israelis, then so is the whole fucking gov’t of Israel for murdering Palestinian non-combatants with indiscriminate bombing.
And with the big difference that no one is asking the west to support Hamas, they’re already labeled terrorists and heavily restricted, while the government of Israel wants to maintain pleasant status within the world while still doing terrorism.
“To expand on this, if you knew that there was a murderer in a crowd of 20 people, would you say that the gov’t had the right and duty to mow down that crowd with machine gun fire in order to prevent that person from killing again? Because that’s what the Israeli gov’t is doing.”
I don’t feel like these morality questions do anything for anybody. It’s basically a dog whistle for anyone who agrees with you because there ARE people who would mow down 20 to catch 1 killer. These idiots exist, otherwise we wouldn’t be here.
Utilitarianism would lead you to that decision, you can justify any atrocity with it.
And here we are, in the west, justifying the atrocities that Israel is committing, has committed in the past, and will likely commit in the future, because Hamas manages to commit significantly lesser atrocities. We applaud the disproportionate responses of Israel, while condemning Hamas. We then also applaud the provocations of Israel, and condemn the responses of Hamas.
…And, of course, we pretend that Israel didn’t create Hamas, because they were afraid of the growing political power of Fatah and the PLO, and the calls for a two-state solution. Kinda like how the US created what became the Taliban by funding the mujahideen…
IDF claim to be holding over 1000 bodies of Hamas terrorists who entered Israeli territory on October 7th.
This claim doesn’t appear to be in your article. I’ve been looking for a source about the estimated number of Hamas that entered on the 7th.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna121645
you may have to ctrl + f “1,000” The link is a little squirrelly about scrolling to the right place.
I think I found it.
They seem to let you link to the correct place if you use the share button:
He added that Israel was holding more than 1,000 Hamas militants, both dead and alive.
If Israel has 1000, I wonder how many went back to Gaza after the attack. It’s probably sizeable given how many hostages they had.
Yes, sorry about that.
I’ve seen a few estimates. Some sources have said 1,500. The one I saw today was reported on Channel 12’s live feed (hebrew warning) reported at 10:45.
Google translate spits out:
In addition to this, the IDF spokesman noted that the army has over a thousand dead bodies and prisoners among the Hamas terrorists, and that “this figure indicates the nature of the fighting in the Otef, the heroism of the fighters, civilians and the standby units.” Brigadier General Hagari added that 14 trucks with aid were brought into the Strip Humanitarian, where the emphasis is that fuel does not enter the strip. In the northern sector, the IDF eliminated eight terrorist squads that tried to launch anti-tank missiles in the last day. Since the beginning of the fighting, 20 terrorist squads of Hezbollah have been eliminated.
The IDF is desperate to change the narrative from the fact that the bombings have murdered 5000 Palestinians.
The number given by the same Hamas health dept that said Israel killed 500 when they bombed a hospital? Even though it wasn’t Israel, it wasn’t the hospital, and it wasn’t nearly 500 people?
I’m sure a lot have died. And definitely too many civilians. And from where I sit, I’d think Israel should do at least some things differently. But if the hospital situation taught us nothing else, it should have taught us to not quote stuff from Hamas without another source.
did hamas do israel a propaganda favor? they needed one. fuck them both, murderous dickbags
Journalists were not permitted to record the screening, which took place on a closed military base.
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Yeah, I feel you. I don’t believe in civilian deaths in Gaza on the other hand. These are all actors, you know. Very high production value though.
Oh, terrorist organization members are required to wear body-cams now?
TIL.Any body cams of families being blown apart by Israeli bombs? No?
(I’m not for any side in this mockery of a war, however the Israeli revenge is ridiculous)
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The world didn’t care about the videos of dead Palestinians for the last decade, will they care about these too?
I know many people who care about Israel’s subjugation of the Palestinians. That doesn’t mean I’m going to try and brush off this complete shitshow from Hamas.
nothing happened when so-and-so government killed a journalist, they all do it, it’s no big deal.
I’m sure the IDF is an unquestionably trustworthy source.
Are you implying they would kill their own people in addition to those already killed so that they could make Hamas look bad as if that’s a thing that needs be doing?
Yeah there is no conspiracy here only arrogance and party politics involving West Jordan.
I’m saying I find it hard to believe that Hamas is equipping fighters with body cams to document atrocities, and I’m saying that the presentation of these videos works way too well to justify the IDF’s campaign for me to just accept it without independent corroboration. If this was being reported by Haaretz and Al Jazeera, I’d be less inclined to doubt it because neither of those outlets seem particularly inclined to unquestioningly support the Israeli government’s narrative.
I mean, when American cops present body cam footage, the first thing people look for is the edits. This footage was shown without providing journalists a way to study it further.
