At the time of the announcement, the moderators of most of the subreddits involved with the community points program claimed to be unaware of the decision.
It’s a cult too. It feeds on hype and marketing so people will say anything to keep the value of their worthless investments up. That’s probably why you’re getting a couple downvotes even though you’re 100% right. Wouldn’t be surprised if some coins got big from bot network spamming on social media.
Edit: they won’t even argue about it, they just keep downvoting. Proves my point exactly.
Crypto is used to scam, it doesn’t mean the technology or the idea is a scam. I find it really ironic how Lemmy seems to hate it so much. I don’t have any investment in it anymore because I don’t like how profit-focused it became but I first got into it for the same reason I’m here on Lemmy, Bitcoin was an open source and federated alternative to money. Anyone could run a node and mine it. No more proprietary apps like PayPal.
While I don’t think we will ever recapture the original spirit the tech had in the early 2010s I do find it quite sad that people think crypto = scam. Is HTTP a scam because scam websites exist? Are phones a scam because scam calls exist? I really wish people would separate the underlying technology (which is actually really cool) and the people using it.
I can totally see how it used to be more ideal, however it’s been completely perverted from a legitimate currency into a MAGA-style investment fraud cult. At this point people need to start denouncing crypto- every new crypto project now is a get rich quick scam and people who don’t know any better will fall for it. I think that crypto’s days are numbered, coins will probably be heavily regulated by the end of the decade.
Besides all that, my personal opinion is that investing in “nothing” is scammy. There are no physical or heavily regulated securities like when you invest in stocks, precious metals, and art.
The physical value of it is what gets me. Or rather, lack of physical value.
Cash is real. We can hold it in our hands, see it with our eyes and so on. Similarly with a debit/credit card, you know what that physical card in your wallet represents, and you know what the amount tied to it is/means.
Cryptocurrency is literally just digital code made to be similar to money. But there’s no physical value tied to it. It doesn’t represent anything other than it’s code. If the world’s economies and governments were to suddenly fall tomorrow, we’d still have cash and other physically valuable objects to trade and barter with. You most definitely would not be able to walk up to someone with a hard drive of Bitcoin to trade for anything.
however it’s been completely perverted from a legitimate currency into a MAGA-style investment fraud cult
Rather than a currency or a movement that is the sum of everyone who uses it, a more accurate way to think of crypto is as a sort of anarchist technology. It empowers people to take financial action without asking permission, without guardrails, without having to go through a company or a bank that will monitor you and shut you down if they feel like it. Naturally people will use that agency for things like online drug markets, ransomware payments, and pyramid scheme style gambling. But that doesn’t mean the technology itself is bad, just that it is powerful. Stablecoins in particular are seeing increasing use all over the world just because there is a lot of dysfunction and oppression in the banking systems of most countries and great difficulty in interfacing with other countries. If you want to buy a VPN or web hosting or anything else anonymously online, crypto is really the only answer to digital cash. It is a real, viable way to cut out middlemen and central authorities and that deserves respect even if it also makes it the de-facto medium for certain criminals.
My hope is that what will be regulated is the type of shit Reddit has done here, and the type of shit FTX did, which is really more traditional investment fraud with a crypto smokescreen than something that is genuinely founded in the technology. With the Reddit tokens, nothing was decentralized except the tokens, they controlled everything the tokens could possibly be used for, and the only thing giving them value was Reddit’s implied promise to leave that potential revenue for the tokens instead of just taking it for themselves, which ultimately of course they did. You don’t even need crypto for that, they could have done the exact same thing with their own centralized game tokens, and it would have been just as much of a scam. Don’t blame crypto for that, blame Reddit and companies like Reddit trying to get away with this type of thing.
There are plenty of crypto projects which are not get rich quick scams. For example Monero is a community project which allows fully anonymous transactions. Ethereum is quite corporate but they are really working hard to improve the technology, like introducing staking. And there are many more, but it can be hard to distinguish them from the scams. Anyway it’s not as simple as crypto bad.
The problem is that crypo came into being as a result of people wanting to do scams, so even if there are some of them which aren’t outright pump and dumps there’s still the problem that the foundation itself is pretty rotten so you’re always going to have to work against that. You can fix each and every individual issue that arises but the core one still remains: It’s just capitalism without the accountability.
Really it’s all false consciousness pulling us away from what we should actually be doing: building strong communities outside capital.
That’s not true, Satoshi Nakamoto was certainly not a scammer. The coins he mined must be worth millions by now. But instead of selling them, he disappeared long before Bitcoin gained actual popularity.
I’m not sure what kind of negligence would have lead them to build - hey wait a minute, wasn’t Nakamoto being the creator of Bitcoin an op? Like I’m pretty sure that guy was a grifter who wanted to take credit for it so claimed to be its creator and only reason he fucked off with his alleged bitcoin fortune is because he never actually had it. Correct me if i’m wrong. EDIT: Looked into it, I was mistaken. Nakamoto was the pseudonym used by bitcoin’s developer. The fraud I was referring to must have used that name for their grift.
Anyway, I’m not sure what kind of negligence would have lead them to build “no refunds” into the system. It does seem like a pretty odd and deliberate choice for someone supposedly creating a system in good faith. Like that one feature is the lynchpin of every single one of these scams so I have a really hard time believing it wasn’t put there on purpose. It’s really hard to prove intent, especially when we don’t even know who the person is but that always comes across as a huge red flag.
You’re thinking of Craig Wright who claimed to be Satoshi. That was obviously false, he couldn’t prove control of any address that belongs to Satoshi. The real Satoshi disappeared long ago.
No refunds is not due to negligence, it’s a consequence of the way blockchains work. Unfortunately refunds are very hard to implement so they are still not possible on any crypto project that I’m aware of.
It’s, by design, a deflationary asset. There’s a limited amount of it, the difficulty to mine it goes up as there’s more of it, therefore it’s designed to grow in value over time. So since its inception it’s been a scam. Sure, a scam some lucky people have been able to get in on early, but a scam none-the-less.
I initially replied but deleted my reply because I wasn’t sure of myself but I’ve looked it up just to be sure and I can reply again in confidence: Gold isn’t deflationary.
Gold is a standard in which remains stable among the currencies when compared to commodity goods. As other currencies inflate, gold also inflates, because it’s somewhat stable. Gold’s value does not increase over time, even though its value in relation to inflating currencies does.
Essentially, as an example but one pulled completely out of my ass here: If bread cost 1 gram of gold 200 years ago, but that was a single shilling but now it takes 1000 shillings to buy bread, gold is now worth “1000 shillings”, but still buys the same bread. So it’s not increasing in value vs the things around it, only other currencies because they are inflating.
Which means that it’s deflationary against euro or usd. Also “there’s a limited amount of it, the difficulty to mine it goes up as there’s more of it”. So according to your definition gold is a scam. I wonder who is going to pull the rug on it.
Wrong. Which means it’s stable, and the USD and EURO are inflationary. That’s why gold is gold. That’s why it’s a staple stock. Because it’s stable against everything that those currencies buy. It will basically, always be worth the same amount as it was 1000 years ago. Gold is the reference of a “stable” value. In the example I made, 1 gram of gold 200 years ago buys the same amount as 1 gram of gold today. That’s exactly how gold works. That’s why economies use it as a measuring stick of their own currency.
Crypto. Is. A. Scam.
It’s a cult too. It feeds on hype and marketing so people will say anything to keep the value of their worthless investments up. That’s probably why you’re getting a couple downvotes even though you’re 100% right. Wouldn’t be surprised if some coins got big from bot network spamming on social media.
Edit: they won’t even argue about it, they just keep downvoting. Proves my point exactly.
Crypto is used to scam, it doesn’t mean the technology or the idea is a scam. I find it really ironic how Lemmy seems to hate it so much. I don’t have any investment in it anymore because I don’t like how profit-focused it became but I first got into it for the same reason I’m here on Lemmy, Bitcoin was an open source and federated alternative to money. Anyone could run a node and mine it. No more proprietary apps like PayPal.
While I don’t think we will ever recapture the original spirit the tech had in the early 2010s I do find it quite sad that people think crypto = scam. Is HTTP a scam because scam websites exist? Are phones a scam because scam calls exist? I really wish people would separate the underlying technology (which is actually really cool) and the people using it.
I can totally see how it used to be more ideal, however it’s been completely perverted from a legitimate currency into a MAGA-style investment fraud cult. At this point people need to start denouncing crypto- every new crypto project now is a get rich quick scam and people who don’t know any better will fall for it. I think that crypto’s days are numbered, coins will probably be heavily regulated by the end of the decade.
Besides all that, my personal opinion is that investing in “nothing” is scammy. There are no physical or heavily regulated securities like when you invest in stocks, precious metals, and art.
The physical value of it is what gets me. Or rather, lack of physical value.
Cash is real. We can hold it in our hands, see it with our eyes and so on. Similarly with a debit/credit card, you know what that physical card in your wallet represents, and you know what the amount tied to it is/means.
Cryptocurrency is literally just digital code made to be similar to money. But there’s no physical value tied to it. It doesn’t represent anything other than it’s code. If the world’s economies and governments were to suddenly fall tomorrow, we’d still have cash and other physically valuable objects to trade and barter with. You most definitely would not be able to walk up to someone with a hard drive of Bitcoin to trade for anything.
Rather than a currency or a movement that is the sum of everyone who uses it, a more accurate way to think of crypto is as a sort of anarchist technology. It empowers people to take financial action without asking permission, without guardrails, without having to go through a company or a bank that will monitor you and shut you down if they feel like it. Naturally people will use that agency for things like online drug markets, ransomware payments, and pyramid scheme style gambling. But that doesn’t mean the technology itself is bad, just that it is powerful. Stablecoins in particular are seeing increasing use all over the world just because there is a lot of dysfunction and oppression in the banking systems of most countries and great difficulty in interfacing with other countries. If you want to buy a VPN or web hosting or anything else anonymously online, crypto is really the only answer to digital cash. It is a real, viable way to cut out middlemen and central authorities and that deserves respect even if it also makes it the de-facto medium for certain criminals.
My hope is that what will be regulated is the type of shit Reddit has done here, and the type of shit FTX did, which is really more traditional investment fraud with a crypto smokescreen than something that is genuinely founded in the technology. With the Reddit tokens, nothing was decentralized except the tokens, they controlled everything the tokens could possibly be used for, and the only thing giving them value was Reddit’s implied promise to leave that potential revenue for the tokens instead of just taking it for themselves, which ultimately of course they did. You don’t even need crypto for that, they could have done the exact same thing with their own centralized game tokens, and it would have been just as much of a scam. Don’t blame crypto for that, blame Reddit and companies like Reddit trying to get away with this type of thing.
There are plenty of crypto projects which are not get rich quick scams. For example Monero is a community project which allows fully anonymous transactions. Ethereum is quite corporate but they are really working hard to improve the technology, like introducing staking. And there are many more, but it can be hard to distinguish them from the scams. Anyway it’s not as simple as crypto bad.
The problem is that crypo came into being as a result of people wanting to do scams, so even if there are some of them which aren’t outright pump and dumps there’s still the problem that the foundation itself is pretty rotten so you’re always going to have to work against that. You can fix each and every individual issue that arises but the core one still remains: It’s just capitalism without the accountability.
Really it’s all false consciousness pulling us away from what we should actually be doing: building strong communities outside capital.
That’s not true, Satoshi Nakamoto was certainly not a scammer. The coins he mined must be worth millions by now. But instead of selling them, he disappeared long before Bitcoin gained actual popularity.
I’m not sure what kind of negligence would have lead them to build - hey wait a minute, wasn’t Nakamoto being the creator of Bitcoin an op? Like I’m pretty sure that guy was a grifter who wanted to take credit for it so claimed to be its creator and only reason he fucked off with his alleged bitcoin fortune is because he never actually had it. Correct me if i’m wrong. EDIT: Looked into it, I was mistaken. Nakamoto was the pseudonym used by bitcoin’s developer. The fraud I was referring to must have used that name for their grift.
Anyway, I’m not sure what kind of negligence would have lead them to build “no refunds” into the system. It does seem like a pretty odd and deliberate choice for someone supposedly creating a system in good faith. Like that one feature is the lynchpin of every single one of these scams so I have a really hard time believing it wasn’t put there on purpose. It’s really hard to prove intent, especially when we don’t even know who the person is but that always comes across as a huge red flag.
You’re thinking of Craig Wright who claimed to be Satoshi. That was obviously false, he couldn’t prove control of any address that belongs to Satoshi. The real Satoshi disappeared long ago.
No refunds is not due to negligence, it’s a consequence of the way blockchains work. Unfortunately refunds are very hard to implement so they are still not possible on any crypto project that I’m aware of.
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what technology? slower database and you can’t edit it is the TEchnOloGy?
It’s, by design, a deflationary asset. There’s a limited amount of it, the difficulty to mine it goes up as there’s more of it, therefore it’s designed to grow in value over time. So since its inception it’s been a scam. Sure, a scam some lucky people have been able to get in on early, but a scam none-the-less.
This is not true of all crypto. It is true of bitcoin though.
So gold is a scam? lol
I initially replied but deleted my reply because I wasn’t sure of myself but I’ve looked it up just to be sure and I can reply again in confidence: Gold isn’t deflationary.
Gold is a standard in which remains stable among the currencies when compared to commodity goods. As other currencies inflate, gold also inflates, because it’s somewhat stable. Gold’s value does not increase over time, even though its value in relation to inflating currencies does.
Essentially, as an example but one pulled completely out of my ass here: If bread cost 1 gram of gold 200 years ago, but that was a single shilling but now it takes 1000 shillings to buy bread, gold is now worth “1000 shillings”, but still buys the same bread. So it’s not increasing in value vs the things around it, only other currencies because they are inflating.
Which means that it’s deflationary against euro or usd. Also “there’s a limited amount of it, the difficulty to mine it goes up as there’s more of it”. So according to your definition gold is a scam. I wonder who is going to pull the rug on it.
Wrong. Which means it’s stable, and the USD and EURO are inflationary. That’s why gold is gold. That’s why it’s a staple stock. Because it’s stable against everything that those currencies buy. It will basically, always be worth the same amount as it was 1000 years ago. Gold is the reference of a “stable” value. In the example I made, 1 gram of gold 200 years ago buys the same amount as 1 gram of gold today. That’s exactly how gold works. That’s why economies use it as a measuring stick of their own currency.
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