They told them to evacuate and Hamas told them to stay put which many did.
So what’s your suggestion?
Going in there with the army on the ground? That will probably result in even more casualties.
Hamas is just evil with how they planned their bases around hospitals, churches or civilian buildings because they know that it’s impossible to target them without having civilian casualties. That’s the whole point.
So Israel should just ignore that Hamas specifically targeted schools and civilians for their attack and not do anything? Seriously what’s your suggestion besides staying in your childish black and white thinking of optimal solutions.
Civilian casualties are absolutely horrible but imho those are 100% Hamas fault for using them as meat shields and creating the necessity for a response by what they did to those victims of their attack.
I know Palestine people don’t really have a choice since there were no elections in a long time so they are the biggest victims of this but imho putting the blame on Israel is just making it far too easy.
Ofc I don’t have a solution, it would be ridiculous to claim that I did. But that doesn’t change the fact that genocide is not a solution either. It’s not like anything goes if no one has a perfect idea, and mass murdering civilians is pretty much the last thing on the list. It’s the one thing that should be avoided at all costs imo.
This does sound like the only option you give to Israel is to be demolished. Since you seem to agree no military action can be used against terrorist groups since it will always result in people dieing, the only other option is for Israel to leave. (Where to, btw?)
The majority of Palestinians, Hamas and other groups in Palestine are against a two-state-solution. Their goal is to have Israel gone. While the international community can likely pressure Israel into stopping to attack Gaza, how do you suggest they stop the terrorist attacks on Israel from Gaza?
I know, that doesn’t mean Israel is going away. They are the more powerful of the two by a big margin and they have very strong international support, they will be just fine. Imo it is their job to prevent as many attacks as possible, endure the rest and keep working towards a peaceful solution. I know this is hard, but Israel is easily strong enough to do that, and the alternative is infinitely worse.
How do you suggest they get back the people currently kidnapped in Gaza?
How are they supposed to protect themselves from suicide bombers? Or are these the things you say they should “just take”?
What you want (Israel just taking the attacks and try to defend themselves) is what people want to abolish who chant “Free Palestine”. Because they want open borders for Palestinians and no retaliation against Hamas which is the situation they had in the past. Which lead to more attacks and deaths.
I feel a lot of people don’t really know an awful lot about Palestine and how it is ruled. There are several groups in Palestine, especially Gaza, who enforce Sharia law, for example. Women are heavily oppressed, LGBTQ rights are non existent. There were several attacks in Palestine from Palestinians against other Palestinians in a crusade to enforce Islamism.
They idea that the multiple extremist groups in Palestine will just peacefully sit by while in Israel you have everything they find despicable, on land they see as holy, is more than naive. You are asking for a constant of terror for both sides.
Running in and shooting everyone is not how you solve hostage situations if you actually want to save the hostages, especially with thousands of civilians in the way. All that does is ensure that the hostages are dead by the time you arrive.
And again, ofc I have no perfect solution, but genocide is worse than anything anyone can come up with. It doesn’t matter that there are certain groups in Palestine, genocide is not a viable option! It’s pretty ridiculous that I have to repeat that multiple times to be honest.
You are asking for a constant of terror for both sides.
I’m asking for them to finally realize that there is no other solution than somehow coming to a peaceful understanding that works for both. But the extremists on both sides will not take this seriously as long as they think there will come a day when they can just mass murder the other side and be done with it. It has to be abundantly clear that it’s either a peaceful solution or no solution at all imo! And afaik the majority on both sides don’t mind the other religion that much and just want this conflict to end.
So they should have free reign to kill Israelis unpunished whenever they want since it’s impossible to get to them without casualties because of how they play it?
How is that the only alternative you can think of?! This black or white thinking is total bullshit. Israel is easily strong enough to prevent most attacks and work towards a peaceful solution.
This is not a play ground. You don’t get to swing your fists wildly and blame any children who fail to get out of your way.
It is on the military to avoid civilian casualties. And a fake evacuation order doesn’t cut it. They know there’s nowhere for people to go without passing the IDF lines but they aren’t allowing that. So get out of here with your fake outrage about human shields. You are attacking into the most densely populated area on earth. Their mere existence does not make them shields.
It is on the military to avoid civilian casualties.
And what would be your solution to that? accept people to flee to Israel and put them in camps temporarily until they can go back? surely that won’t provoke negative reactions…
Letting everyone roam freely also isn’t workint since Hamas has shown that they’d take any chance they get to harm Israeli civilians so they’re for sure not taking that chance.
it’s always easy to criticize something and MUCH harder to come up with a better alternative - and I’ve yet to read someone state one other than “don’t attack Gaza” which would basically be like rolling over and letting the terrorists win which surely can’t be in people’s interest…
They are called Refugee Camps for a reason. That IS the alternative. If you want remove people from a combat area then Refugee Camps are the international gold standard.
They told them to evacuate and Hamas told them to stay put which many did.
So what’s your suggestion?
Going in there with the army on the ground? That will probably result in even more casualties.
Hamas is just evil with how they planned their bases around hospitals, churches or civilian buildings because they know that it’s impossible to target them without having civilian casualties. That’s the whole point.
So Israel should just ignore that Hamas specifically targeted schools and civilians for their attack and not do anything? Seriously what’s your suggestion besides staying in your childish black and white thinking of optimal solutions.
Civilian casualties are absolutely horrible but imho those are 100% Hamas fault for using them as meat shields and creating the necessity for a response by what they did to those victims of their attack.
I know Palestine people don’t really have a choice since there were no elections in a long time so they are the biggest victims of this but imho putting the blame on Israel is just making it far too easy.
Ofc I don’t have a solution, it would be ridiculous to claim that I did. But that doesn’t change the fact that genocide is not a solution either. It’s not like anything goes if no one has a perfect idea, and mass murdering civilians is pretty much the last thing on the list. It’s the one thing that should be avoided at all costs imo.
This does sound like the only option you give to Israel is to be demolished. Since you seem to agree no military action can be used against terrorist groups since it will always result in people dieing, the only other option is for Israel to leave. (Where to, btw?)
Israel is not leaving or being demolished, what are you talking about?!
The majority of Palestinians, Hamas and other groups in Palestine are against a two-state-solution. Their goal is to have Israel gone. While the international community can likely pressure Israel into stopping to attack Gaza, how do you suggest they stop the terrorist attacks on Israel from Gaza?
I know, that doesn’t mean Israel is going away. They are the more powerful of the two by a big margin and they have very strong international support, they will be just fine. Imo it is their job to prevent as many attacks as possible, endure the rest and keep working towards a peaceful solution. I know this is hard, but Israel is easily strong enough to do that, and the alternative is infinitely worse.
How do you suggest they get back the people currently kidnapped in Gaza? How are they supposed to protect themselves from suicide bombers? Or are these the things you say they should “just take”?
What you want (Israel just taking the attacks and try to defend themselves) is what people want to abolish who chant “Free Palestine”. Because they want open borders for Palestinians and no retaliation against Hamas which is the situation they had in the past. Which lead to more attacks and deaths.
I feel a lot of people don’t really know an awful lot about Palestine and how it is ruled. There are several groups in Palestine, especially Gaza, who enforce Sharia law, for example. Women are heavily oppressed, LGBTQ rights are non existent. There were several attacks in Palestine from Palestinians against other Palestinians in a crusade to enforce Islamism.
They idea that the multiple extremist groups in Palestine will just peacefully sit by while in Israel you have everything they find despicable, on land they see as holy, is more than naive. You are asking for a constant of terror for both sides.
Running in and shooting everyone is not how you solve hostage situations if you actually want to save the hostages, especially with thousands of civilians in the way. All that does is ensure that the hostages are dead by the time you arrive.
And again, ofc I have no perfect solution, but genocide is worse than anything anyone can come up with. It doesn’t matter that there are certain groups in Palestine, genocide is not a viable option! It’s pretty ridiculous that I have to repeat that multiple times to be honest.
I’m asking for them to finally realize that there is no other solution than somehow coming to a peaceful understanding that works for both. But the extremists on both sides will not take this seriously as long as they think there will come a day when they can just mass murder the other side and be done with it. It has to be abundantly clear that it’s either a peaceful solution or no solution at all imo! And afaik the majority on both sides don’t mind the other religion that much and just want this conflict to end.
ofc is should be avoided at all cost - but the way it looks now it’s pretty much impossible to avoid given how Hamas is playing this…
I think your and my definition of “at all costs” is a bit different.
Do you believe Hamas would avoid civil casualties if Israel didn’t do those strikes and let them do whatever they wanted?
I think It’s pretty obvious that Hamas has never been and will never be able to kill nearly as many people as Israel is killing right now.
So they should have free reign to kill Israelis unpunished whenever they want since it’s impossible to get to them without casualties because of how they play it?
How is that the only alternative you can think of?! This black or white thinking is total bullshit. Israel is easily strong enough to prevent most attacks and work towards a peaceful solution.
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Prevent most attacks, means there’s nonzero percent of attacks which succeed, and that means even more dead civilians
This is not a play ground. You don’t get to swing your fists wildly and blame any children who fail to get out of your way.
It is on the military to avoid civilian casualties. And a fake evacuation order doesn’t cut it. They know there’s nowhere for people to go without passing the IDF lines but they aren’t allowing that. So get out of here with your fake outrage about human shields. You are attacking into the most densely populated area on earth. Their mere existence does not make them shields.
And what would be your solution to that? accept people to flee to Israel and put them in camps temporarily until they can go back? surely that won’t provoke negative reactions…
Letting everyone roam freely also isn’t workint since Hamas has shown that they’d take any chance they get to harm Israeli civilians so they’re for sure not taking that chance.
it’s always easy to criticize something and MUCH harder to come up with a better alternative - and I’ve yet to read someone state one other than “don’t attack Gaza” which would basically be like rolling over and letting the terrorists win which surely can’t be in people’s interest…
They are called Refugee Camps for a reason. That IS the alternative. If you want remove people from a combat area then Refugee Camps are the international gold standard.
Nooo you ruined the circlejerk 😭