Ofc I don’t have a solution, it would be ridiculous to claim that I did. But that doesn’t change the fact that genocide is not a solution either. It’s not like anything goes if no one has a perfect idea, and mass murdering civilians is pretty much the last thing on the list. It’s the one thing that should be avoided at all costs imo.
This does sound like the only option you give to Israel is to be demolished. Since you seem to agree no military action can be used against terrorist groups since it will always result in people dieing, the only other option is for Israel to leave. (Where to, btw?)
The majority of Palestinians, Hamas and other groups in Palestine are against a two-state-solution. Their goal is to have Israel gone. While the international community can likely pressure Israel into stopping to attack Gaza, how do you suggest they stop the terrorist attacks on Israel from Gaza?
I know, that doesn’t mean Israel is going away. They are the more powerful of the two by a big margin and they have very strong international support, they will be just fine. Imo it is their job to prevent as many attacks as possible, endure the rest and keep working towards a peaceful solution. I know this is hard, but Israel is easily strong enough to do that, and the alternative is infinitely worse.
How do you suggest they get back the people currently kidnapped in Gaza?
How are they supposed to protect themselves from suicide bombers? Or are these the things you say they should “just take”?
What you want (Israel just taking the attacks and try to defend themselves) is what people want to abolish who chant “Free Palestine”. Because they want open borders for Palestinians and no retaliation against Hamas which is the situation they had in the past. Which lead to more attacks and deaths.
I feel a lot of people don’t really know an awful lot about Palestine and how it is ruled. There are several groups in Palestine, especially Gaza, who enforce Sharia law, for example. Women are heavily oppressed, LGBTQ rights are non existent. There were several attacks in Palestine from Palestinians against other Palestinians in a crusade to enforce Islamism.
They idea that the multiple extremist groups in Palestine will just peacefully sit by while in Israel you have everything they find despicable, on land they see as holy, is more than naive. You are asking for a constant of terror for both sides.
Running in and shooting everyone is not how you solve hostage situations if you actually want to save the hostages, especially with thousands of civilians in the way. All that does is ensure that the hostages are dead by the time you arrive.
And again, ofc I have no perfect solution, but genocide is worse than anything anyone can come up with. It doesn’t matter that there are certain groups in Palestine, genocide is not a viable option! It’s pretty ridiculous that I have to repeat that multiple times to be honest.
You are asking for a constant of terror for both sides.
I’m asking for them to finally realize that there is no other solution than somehow coming to a peaceful understanding that works for both. But the extremists on both sides will not take this seriously as long as they think there will come a day when they can just mass murder the other side and be done with it. It has to be abundantly clear that it’s either a peaceful solution or no solution at all imo! And afaik the majority on both sides don’t mind the other religion that much and just want this conflict to end.
So they should have free reign to kill Israelis unpunished whenever they want since it’s impossible to get to them without casualties because of how they play it?
How is that the only alternative you can think of?! This black or white thinking is total bullshit. Israel is easily strong enough to prevent most attacks and work towards a peaceful solution.
Ofc I don’t have a solution, it would be ridiculous to claim that I did. But that doesn’t change the fact that genocide is not a solution either. It’s not like anything goes if no one has a perfect idea, and mass murdering civilians is pretty much the last thing on the list. It’s the one thing that should be avoided at all costs imo.
This does sound like the only option you give to Israel is to be demolished. Since you seem to agree no military action can be used against terrorist groups since it will always result in people dieing, the only other option is for Israel to leave. (Where to, btw?)
Israel is not leaving or being demolished, what are you talking about?!
The majority of Palestinians, Hamas and other groups in Palestine are against a two-state-solution. Their goal is to have Israel gone. While the international community can likely pressure Israel into stopping to attack Gaza, how do you suggest they stop the terrorist attacks on Israel from Gaza?
I know, that doesn’t mean Israel is going away. They are the more powerful of the two by a big margin and they have very strong international support, they will be just fine. Imo it is their job to prevent as many attacks as possible, endure the rest and keep working towards a peaceful solution. I know this is hard, but Israel is easily strong enough to do that, and the alternative is infinitely worse.
How do you suggest they get back the people currently kidnapped in Gaza? How are they supposed to protect themselves from suicide bombers? Or are these the things you say they should “just take”?
What you want (Israel just taking the attacks and try to defend themselves) is what people want to abolish who chant “Free Palestine”. Because they want open borders for Palestinians and no retaliation against Hamas which is the situation they had in the past. Which lead to more attacks and deaths.
I feel a lot of people don’t really know an awful lot about Palestine and how it is ruled. There are several groups in Palestine, especially Gaza, who enforce Sharia law, for example. Women are heavily oppressed, LGBTQ rights are non existent. There were several attacks in Palestine from Palestinians against other Palestinians in a crusade to enforce Islamism.
They idea that the multiple extremist groups in Palestine will just peacefully sit by while in Israel you have everything they find despicable, on land they see as holy, is more than naive. You are asking for a constant of terror for both sides.
Running in and shooting everyone is not how you solve hostage situations if you actually want to save the hostages, especially with thousands of civilians in the way. All that does is ensure that the hostages are dead by the time you arrive.
And again, ofc I have no perfect solution, but genocide is worse than anything anyone can come up with. It doesn’t matter that there are certain groups in Palestine, genocide is not a viable option! It’s pretty ridiculous that I have to repeat that multiple times to be honest.
I’m asking for them to finally realize that there is no other solution than somehow coming to a peaceful understanding that works for both. But the extremists on both sides will not take this seriously as long as they think there will come a day when they can just mass murder the other side and be done with it. It has to be abundantly clear that it’s either a peaceful solution or no solution at all imo! And afaik the majority on both sides don’t mind the other religion that much and just want this conflict to end.
ofc is should be avoided at all cost - but the way it looks now it’s pretty much impossible to avoid given how Hamas is playing this…
I think your and my definition of “at all costs” is a bit different.
Do you believe Hamas would avoid civil casualties if Israel didn’t do those strikes and let them do whatever they wanted?
I think It’s pretty obvious that Hamas has never been and will never be able to kill nearly as many people as Israel is killing right now.
So they should have free reign to kill Israelis unpunished whenever they want since it’s impossible to get to them without casualties because of how they play it?
How is that the only alternative you can think of?! This black or white thinking is total bullshit. Israel is easily strong enough to prevent most attacks and work towards a peaceful solution.
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Coming up with possible solutions and declaring one the correct one are two different things.
Prevent most attacks, means there’s nonzero percent of attacks which succeed, and that means even more dead civilians
But much fewer than a genocide, and it preserves the possibility of a peaceful resolution.