President Joe Biden was asked by a reporter in Israel on Wednesday what made him confident that the Israelis weren’t behind the explosion that killed hundreds at a Gaza hospital on Tuesday.

Biden responded that it was “the data I was shown by my Defense Department.”

Two U.S. officials told ABC News the Pentagon independently concluded the Gaza hospital blast was likely caused by an errant Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket that fell short of its target.

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    what can third parties do to reduce or eliminate Hamas’s hold on Palestine?

    I’m all for Palestinian rights, and the constant encroachment of fundamentalist settlements is a war crime that went unpunished for Israel - but Hamas’s charter is explicit, there’s no middle ground or two state solution, just the destruction of Israel.

    So how can third parties help the Palestinians in the one way that would make a significant difference in their QOL and interactions with Israel?

    Honest question.

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        so make Israel an easier target for the many countries that agree with Hamas and think it should be destroyed?

        pfft. did you even read the question? How the fuck does that stop Hamas, if anything it would embolden them. How does that help Palestinians wanting a future without a genocidal fuckwit club running their country?

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              Just helping Israel doesn’t help Israeli lives… Sending all that money to Israel is no good when all they do with it is use it for terrorist attacks like the ones they’re carrying out right now.

              Damn, it’s almost like the logic cuts both ways

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                In no way am I suggesting Israeli crimes be forgotten, or that they’re let off the hook. But in this instance Hamas attacked civilians and that’s not going to go away, even if you can spin Hamas’s actions as retribution.

                The thing that sickens me the most was Hamas murdered multiple people who were vociferous and lifelong advocates for a two state solution and wanted compromise. And Hamas has never shown leadership; the people of Palestine deserve better from both directions.

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              BDS is the peaceful solution.

              You can stick your fingers in your ears and call me all the names you want. Smarter people than you or I have already given their opinions. Go look one up since you’re clearly not interested in discussion.

              Edit: Less than a day later

              The international community and particularly Israel’s allies, including EU member states, the US and the UK [must] impose a comprehensive arms embargo on all parties to the conflict given that serious violations amounting to crimes under international law are being committed. States must refrain from supplying Israel with arms and military materiel, including related technologies, parts and components, technical assistance, training, financial or other assistance. They should also call on states supplying arms to Palestinian armed groups to refrain from doing so

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                  Israel can also reverse its decision to call a bunch of secular groups “terrorist organizations,” follow WHO recommendations, follow UN recommendations, turn food on in Gaza, start shipping water to Gaza, start providing electricity to Gaza, cease gunning down people in Gaza, stop blocking people from Gaza from leaving to Egypt, allow a UN investigatory force into the country to determine whether they were committing war crimes, allow neutral peacekeepers to mediate the violence between them and Gaza, have them accept massive sanctions if they kill even another Palestinian, demand an immediate rollback of all West Bank settlements, remove the ethnonationalist language from their laws, stop discriminating based on religion on their “right to return” policies, extend all rights that they give to Jews to everyone else in the West Bank and Gaza, pay reparations to everyone they have harmed in the West Bank and Gaza, publicly apologize for all extremist language used during and leading up to their terrorist attack on Gaza, military tribunals for all IDF soldiers found attacking unarmed Palestinians, etc.

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                    Hey finally someone who wants to talk actual actions! And I agree with most of your points!

                    stop blocking people from Gaza from leaving to Egypt,

                    uhhh is this the case? My understanding was the passage from Gaza to Egypt was blocked by Gaza. Hard to find details though, I could be mistaken.

                    I’m all for Israel being held to the rule of law. I’m also all for Hamas being held to the same structures.

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      You’re not going to get any magical solution because Israel is a country founded on stolen land by entitled religious extremists. People always leave that part out when they talk about this situation.

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        You’re not going to get any magical solution

        and yet they all believe in their invisible friends and holy books so much… ironic that.

        Israel is a country founded on stolen land by entitled religious extremists. People always leave that part out when they talk about this situation.

        funny how you’re leaving out the near extermination of their people and world recognition of their state, kinda glossing over most of history even. guess you decided to leave those parts out too. It’s almost as if both sides are completely full of shit.

        Huh.