• logicbomb@lemmy.world
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    I’m sure everybody gets the reference, but Junior is referring to reports that Hamas used hang gliders or paragliders during their attack on Israel.

    So, he’s just trying to use a dog whistle here to try to remind Republicans that we should all be afraid of brown people. However, dog whistles are supposed to be subtle, so that the people who it isn’t targeted for, won’t even hear it. He’s so inept at public speaking that he can’t even do that correctly.

    On a personal level, I live in Texas. I really don’t want to have a gun, but if I did buy one, it wouldn’t be out of fear of brown people paragliding into my house. It would be out of fear of white fascist Republicans breaking down my front door.

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      if I did buy one, it wouldn’t be out of fear of brown people paragliding into my house. It would be out of fear of white fascist Republicans breaking down my front door.

      As a Portland resident, that’s a logical fear:

      https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/proud-boys-oath-keepers-antifa-portland-violence-spreading-1224762/

      Members of any at risk group should consider being armed. The police aren’t there to protect you and there have been court cases which ruled they have no obligation to do so.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525280/

      “In a 7–2 opinion, the Supreme Court ruled that due process principles did not create a constitutional right to police protection, despite the existence of a court-issued restraining order.”

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      Yes Don Jr is right that we should have guns generally, but more because of what his dad’s cult is doing.

      Don’t ever believe that any gun control laws will disarm those guys. It’s way too easy to hide guns and ammo, and there are hundreds of millions of them all over the country.

      So it’s best to have it and not need it, rather than needing it and not having it. Because they are going to have it anyway.

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        Don’t ever believe that any gun control laws will disarm those guys.

        Even if this is true, counterintuitively, gun control laws will still work. We’ve seen this exact thing in Australia. (Which admittedly is easier to do because it’s an island)

        What happens is that guns become more rare, and yes, only bad guys and cops have access to guns, however, because guns are rare, it’s much harder even for bad guys to get more guns. Guns become much more valuable, and as they’re valuable, bad guys will become reluctant to use them unless the reward is great. If you take a $1000 gun to rob $50 from a 7-11, and if you get caught, you’re losing $950. You’re way better off just using a knife or something, and then you can sell the gun.

        So even if only bad guys have guns, guns are still used in fewer crimes. Everybody gets safer, little by little. Eventually, they’re only going to use guns for crimes with huge payoffs. And they were going to do that, anyways, even if there weren’t gun control laws.

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          Well we’re not going to do any of that in the USA. Fortunately our gun rights are inalienable and confirmed in triplicate by our Supreme Court.

          I would never be happy with living in a society where the cops and criminals are the only ones with guns. Freedom is far more valuable to my life than security, and my security is perfectly fine for my risk tolerance level.

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            Freedom is far more valuable to my life than security

            First of all, that isn’t even internally consistent. Security is the thing that ensures your life, not freedom. You may decide that freedom is more valuable than your security, but that is clearly risking your life, so freedom cannot, by definition, be more valuable to your life than security.

            Second, I guess a guy like you must not support the military at all. Every military person sacrifices some of their freedom to give us security. Former President Trump has said that the soldiers who died in battle defending our country were “suckers” and “losers”. I guess you’d find nothing to disagree with there, right?

            Third, you’re clearly referencing this Benjamin Franklin quote, but you’re misquoting it, so I’ll go ahead and quote it exactly. “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” We’re not talking about an “essential” liberty here, nor are we talking about “a little temporary” safety. We’re talking about an unimportant liberty and long-lasting safety.

            And it’s not just your safety. You’re willing to sacrifice the safety of every American citizen, not for your liberty, but because you have a toy that you like to play with, and you like to pretend like you could use your toys to defend yourself, when the truth is that you’re unlikely to ever run into a situation like that, and it’s even unlikelier that you’d have such a situation were there decent gun control laws. You’re like a person who buys a lottery ticket and starts maxing out your credit card because you think it’s likely you’re going to win. But it’s actually absurdly unlikely.

            You’re optimizing for an unlikely situation at the cost of a known likely situation. It’s insanity.

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              You seem to like to make a lot of assumptions about people. Whatever, spend your time how you like.

              All of the Trump people are fucking morons, and nothing about me has anything to do with them, other than I commented on this post about one of them. I’m pro-military, proud of my friends who served and sacrificed their mental health to fight in the oil wars ostensibly for our country. I’m also smart enough that I never enlisted and I make a great living doing work that is mostly risk-free.

              Gun rights are here to stay in America whether you like it or not. I choose to accept and embrace that liberty, and I’ll support it permanently.

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                I’m also smart enough that I never enlisted

                Holy shit. That means that you actually do believe that people who enlist aren’t smart enough. I happen to know a few people who enlisted who were very smart. I can’t believe you’d actually admit to thinking something like that.

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                  It’s pretty obvious that it was not smart to enlist to fight the War on Terror. It was all bullshit, since Saudi Arabia was the perpetrator of 9/11 and we never attacked them.

                  I’m not afraid to admit anything that I honestly believe. I’m quite content with the quality of my character and beliefs, and my life is pretty great.

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      It would be out of fear of white fascist Republicans breaking down my front door.

      Legitimate thing to fear. And what are you going to do, call the cops? You’ll just have more of them.

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      It would be out of fear of white fascist Republicans breaking down my front door.

      Who would then execute you on sight. Even if you managed to shoot your way out, sooner or later they’ll find you and kill you.

      Guns don’t work against state violence. By the time you need them, you’ve already lost.

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        I have a strong belief in my ability to survive without violating my personal ethics. This is one reason why I don’t own a gun today. Like I said, I can only imagine purchasing a gun out of fear, and I don’t have that fear yet.

        As of now, I think myself much safer without a gun.

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      Well I mean we are always hearing about how extreme and radical they are. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see them coming in on skateboards next.

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    The man who shot a bunch of my coworkers had this exact attitude… He was buying guns and “high capacity” magazines because the government was going to be making them illegal. Kinda wish they had, what little it might have done.

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        It’s really sad that “guy shoots up office, kills coworkers with rifle” doesn’t really narrow anything down in the US.

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        I’d rather not - sorry. This bit didn’t really make it into the press though as it wasn’t really part of his stated motive or the motive argued in court by the prosecution. But it was something he didn’t exactly hide.

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    When near year’s batch of once-in-100-years extreme weather events comes, you can shoot at the tornado. It won’t stop it, but it will give you a sense of power in your final moments.

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    Against an airborne target like hypothetical imaginary Hamas paragliders, I think a shotgun with a light choke would probably be a little more suitable.

    I know! We can hire Dick Cheyney to stand guard for us. He’s great at peppering things with birdshot.

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    We’re they all poisoned or something? Is there something in their drinking water that’s making every member of that family get dumber and dumber every day?

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    Please Jesus may the blinds be lifted from eyes of the underclasses, that they might no longer be grifted on.

    The nice people are waiting with hugs.

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      Maybe stop calling poor people underclass, that would help I think. One thing I hate is liberal elitism, it bothers me as a left leaning poor person. I’m not an idiot cause I’m poor

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    I mean, if we want to make up fairy tales… if they really wanted to get us they could just use drones. Good luck shooting one of those down with your guns when it unexpectedly breaks through a window and explodes!