I noticed that kbin has stalled in development recently and the ongoing problems with federation etc. made me use it even less for the past few weeks. I even spent more time on reddit than here.

Today, I decided to give my abandoned lemmy account a try and see how that goes.

As many others, I disliked the UI of lemmy, compared to kbin, but soon enough found this one https://p.lemmy.world and it’s been very smooth so far.

So yeah … hello from the other side of the fence 🍷

  • TiffyBelle@feddit.ukEnglish
    55·
    1 year ago

    I moved to KBin for a time when Lemmy had various issues such as auto-updating timelines that were hard to deal with and hugely broken algorithms for “Hot” posts, etc.

    Somewhere around release 0.18.3 a lot of these issues were fixed and I ditched KBin. I figured in the long term, it was likely that Lemmy would have more development attention. It also used more straightforward terms like “communities” instead what KBin terms them (“magazines”), which just seemed to be unnecessary and confusing terminology for the sake of being different rather than because it made sense.

    The KBin interface looks polished, but it hides a lot of fundamental issues with the software under the hood. I hope the project receives more dev attention and thrives in the long-term, however. It’s good for the Fediverse that choices exist.

    • adONis@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      8·
      1 year ago

      Yeah, I’ve read that. And I wish him all the best. I can imagine how difficult it can be to maintain such a big project while also taking care of private/financial stuff.

  • The Picard Maneuver@startrek.websiteEnglish
    25·
    1 year ago

    I tried Kbin, but I don’t know why it just never clicked with me. I kind of like the barebones lemmy UI.

    Also, the instance I’m on has an “old.reddit” style page that is really nice when I’m on PC.

  • OpenStars@kbin.social
    15·
    1 year ago

    Relevant post: https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/451896/Is-Kbin-dying-I-wanted-to-address-the-deleted-thread, attempting to explain why contributions weren’t being merged in and deployed.

    Posts by Ernst since mention lots of bots and ads, and some outright DDOS.

    The latest word: https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/544021/So-what-s-the-status-on-the-update-edit-ernest-responded.

    TLDR: Ernst has had a lot of unexpected personal issues to deal with, had to take on a temporary job, and has not been able to give full dedication to this project. What efforts were originally planned - e.g. an official API - seemed to instead have gotten redirected against maintenance vs. outside attacks rather than improvements to the underlying codebase. Back when he was not keeping up with contributors’ proffered changes, he even planned to step down if he could not catch up, for which he gave himself a 1-month deadline, but he seems to have decided that he has met the basic minimum to not do that.

    Looking forward, several months from now Kbin may be significantly better. Or barely better. Or not at all, who knows. But right now it is what it is, which is far behind Lemmy in terms of pure software features at least. I think Kbin’s main selling point was that it was not built off of the original Lemmy contributors, and it does have a very nice interface (sort of, on desktop at least). Not that it matters: account migration doesn’t exist on the Fediverse - even on Lemmy, right? - so those of us who migrated and asked all of our friends to do likewise are kinda stuck with our initial choices, good or bad, unless we make a clean break from our entire history.

    Note I have nothing to do with Kbin, I just wanted to offer those helpful resources if you want to read them. I am glad that you found something that works well for you. I halfway wonder if I should make an alt somewhere even if just to more readily read posts from a mobile, b/c the mobile browser experience for Kbin is horrible (reading is mostly fine, but commenting is absolutely horrendous).

    • adONis@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      I used to follow ernest and kbinMeta to keep up with the updates, so I’m fully aware of the current situation. The thing is, I don’t want to stay there and hope that things will get better one day. I’m here to read the latest happenings on my favorite topics, and engage with people. And, unfortunately, kbin just doesn’t give me that experience.

    • ttmrichter@lemmy.world
      42·
      1 year ago

      There’s even an option to hide the fantasy Internet points entirely. I love that option because I find fantasy Internet point chasing completely risible.

      • Sterile_Technique@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        1 year ago

        ‘point chasing’ e.g. karma farmers on reddit is fucking stupid, but I find the metric useful on an individual post. I think of them like an online extension of a facial expression: if I read a post attempting to explain something, and it’s got way more downvotes than up, the kinda tells me the poster is full of shit, which is especially useful in threads where I don’t know enough about the topic to actually identify the bullshit myself. Like a flat-earther trying to give a lecture to an auditorium of booing geological scientists - my clueless medic ass is going to be gauging the audience as much as the speaker.

        Or, say I post some joke: if it gets a lot more upvotes than down, that tells me other folks folks got a kick out of it.

        It’s just another tool to communicate - and communication is hamstrung right out the gate in a predominately typed medium, so I’ll take the crutch.

        • ttmrichter@lemmy.world
          7·
          1 year ago

          That is a valid viewpoint.

          It’s not mine.

          So I turn off the votes view. I have no idea if my votes are up or down. And I don’t care. I love having that choice too!

        • decisivelyhoodnoises@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          totaly agree. Additionally if I see a post/comment with racist/fascist/sexist views I want to know what the general consensus is. It makes a difference knowing that people disagree or support.

    • adONis@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      11·
      1 year ago

      as a former karma-removed from reddit… I love the fake-internet-points system… It makes me feel special :-D

    • TiffyBelle@feddit.ukEnglish
      91·
      1 year ago

      That’s a really nice alternative interface for desktop! I wonder if other instances implement it other than lemmy.world? It’s cool that that that instance admin has, though. It looks superb.

      Its default purple theme matches my overall browser theme completely by accident, lol.

      https://feddit.uk/pictrs/image/b8c7a59c-da2b-4d48-aaad-72b1fde6eeb1.png

    • Link@lemy.lolEnglish
      91·
      1 year ago

      Right? Alexandrite is the best UI to me too. Its best feature is you don’t have to change page while opening posts. It just opens in one side of the page.

      • ZeroCool@feddit.chEnglish
        31·
        1 year ago

        I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Alexandrite is what the reddit redesign should have been. It’s just a shame that the company didn’t give one single shit about actually making a user friendly desktop experience.

  • Ashtear@lemm.eeEnglish
    9·
    1 year ago

    I started on kbin myself. It was mostly a population consideration, though I did like the downvote accounting. Community moderation is one thing Tildes does right, and that was a step in that direction.

    I ultimately bailed when even the big magazines weren’t being moderated anymore (spam everywhere).

  • Nihilore@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8·
    1 year ago

    I preferred the kbin ui on pc originally but the phone apps and the release of “old reddit” style ui for lemmy got me to switch

  • Damaskox@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    1 year ago

    I started in Kbin. I think that the activity level was smaller in there, which made me swap. Another reason was that Lemmy feels nicer to use (I like its looks more and I found a neat app on the phone to use it. Didn’t find an app for Kbin).

    • Lazycog@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      I also use lemmy (voyager app is awesome) but kbin also has an awesome app called Artemis, which got inspired by apollo for reddit.

  • H_Interlinked@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    1 year ago

    Yes. The constant logouts were bad - a little on desktop but constantly on mobile, and needing to refresh/login spam 4x to get in sometimes. After awhile growth and activity also looked to be stalling out. I realized a bunch more communities I was missing out on were from Lemmy and I needed to make an account to fully interact.

    When I found old.lemmy.world it was game over. I don’t think I’ll go back to my kbin account much anymore.

  • can@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    4·
    1 year ago

    If you’re not ready to leave yet mbin fork that integrates community fixes faster. Fedia switched to it.

    • adONis@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      4·
      1 year ago

      I’ve heard about mbin, but as a developer myself I don’t think PHP is the suited language for those kinds of things, where performance and resource usage are just crucial. According to ernests recent post somewhere, they’re still struggling with infrastructure issues. And I’m afraid mbin will face the same issues sooner than later.

      • Kaldo@kbin.social
        3·
        1 year ago

        Isn’t modern php supposed to be pretty good and fast? And I thought the issues were on a database / federation level anyway, not related to php performance.

        • adONis@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          No matter how modern PHP becomes every year… it just beats its previous version in performance, but the underlying architecture is still the same and cannot compete with other languages, especially when using frameworks like symfony, etc.

          For example.

          If you run a node/go/rust server and you hit the endpoint /hello which returns a simple “hello world”, they will just return that. PHP (symfony) however, has to initialize and execute the whole framework stuff, before returning a simple “hello world”

          Edit: Introducing something like Redis for caching, etc… can help in reducing the overload, but imho, it’s just a bandaid