• mawkishdave@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    I heard about this and it’s a great idea if it works. It’s not totally fuel free as the throwing pay gets it mostly out of the atmosphere and there is a small rocket (last stage for a normal rocket) that puts the payload in the right place.

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      1 year ago

      It’s even far from fuel free, to reach Low Earth Orbit a rocket needs between 9.3 and 10km/s of delta-v.

      According to the video the system is launching the rocket at mach 6, which is equivalent to 2km/s.

      So the system is providing only 1/5 of the energy needed to get to orbit. It’s good but I’m not sure it is worth the drawback of having to handle the huge acceleration.

      On the other hand the same system on the moon would provide enough energy to reach orbit, it would just need a small amount of propellant to circularize.

      Or by increasing slightly the speed of the system it could even send stuff straight to earth with no propellant.

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        20% of the delta-v is not the same as 20% of the energy or fuel. The early stage when the rocket is the heaviest and down in the thickest atmosphere is by far the most fuel-expensive.

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          That actually makes it much worse. Kinetic energy is a square law so to reach orbit at 5 times the velocity requires 5x5=25 times the energy they’re currently using. And air resistance is also a square law so making it go 5 times faster also results in 25 times the air resistance and 25 times the heating due to it.

          Most likely if they did get it going fast enough to make it to orbit, it’d burn up in the lower atmosphere before it even got very far.

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            They don’t need to get 100% of the orbital energy into the object at launch. Scarabic’s point is that if it can just offer an alternative for getting through the lower atmosphere, it can save a lot of fuel.

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    1 year ago

    Usually when a SpinLaunch article or video is posted, all the armchair Physic PhDs show up pontificating on why it’s doomed to fail.

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      Well it’s been almost ten years and they still aren’t launching into space so I’d say they’ve been correct so far.

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          And some things never are. I don’t think spin launch is doomed to failure, but there are definitely projects that some people take seriously that are legitimately never going to happen

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            Eh… eventually anything we are trying to do now short of things that would break natural laws will be possible at one point or another.

            For instance, even though something crazy like the Theranos Edison is impossible with current and even near future tech, it’s going to be possible one day, which is a certainty.

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        Strange that a bunch of aerospace and mechanical engineers believe it is, and have tested the math, yet some random person who probably doesn’t even work on STEM believes they have the better idea.

        I can’t tell if you genuinely think you’re smarter than these people or if this is just the classic “space craft are stupid!” Rhetoric that’s become popular since Musk started SpaceX.

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          Strange that a bunch of aerospace and mechanical engineers believe it is

          It’s not that strange. There are lots of people willing to con others out of investment money.

          who probably doesn’t even work on STEM

          You’re wrong there

          I can’t tell if you genuinely think you’re smarter than these people or if this is just the classic “space craft are stupid!” Rhetoric that’s become popular since Musk started SpaceX.

          I don’t think I’m smarter than these people. I think I’m smarter than the people being conned by these people. Spacecraft certainly aren’t stupid. A lot of what SpaceX has done in spite of Musk has been amazing to see. Their rocket engine development is some of the coolest stuff out there. It’s too bad that the company is led by a con man who makes grandiose claims that they’ll never live up to.

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      You don’t need to be Stephen Hawkings to understand that the bottleneck is not in the launch sling but in the satellite themselves. The idea is in the same league as the space elevator; sure you can do it, but is it better than rockets?