Samsung has released a new video in support of Google’s #GetTheMessage campaign which calls for Apple to adopt RCS or “Rich Communication Services,” the cross-platform protocol pitched as a successor to SMS that adopts many of the features found in modern messaging apps… like Apple’s own iMessage.

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      The audacity of parents trying to buy something less expensive in these crazy inflated times

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      Ok I’ll ask, how is iMessage fundamentally any different from texting (other than this RCS stuff)? You can still text. Or is it that weird color thing or checkmark that kids are social pressured into?

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        The color is one part, the other is that it breaks functions in iMessage. So the elitism doubles up

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          Liked “The color is one part, the other is that it breaks functions in iMessage. So the elitism doubles up”

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            Gave thumbs up to “Liked “The color is one part, the other is that it breaks functions in iMessage. So the elitism doubles up””

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              This was the experience Android users had initially, then Android started parsing them and adding the reaction to the message. This is also when iMessage started getting that type of message instead of the reaction, as a sort of dig at iMessage

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            Images are a lot lower resolution (and no “live” photos which are cute if your mom takes a pic of their pet bunny), you can’t add people to group chats or rename them, you can’t see if someone’s read or typed your message, you can’t “like” texts without them appearing like the above post, I think there are even sound bites, little games but I haven’t played with them.

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              Are “custom stickers” (or whatever they’re called) a thing on Android? My dad’s been having a blast taking a bunch of goofy pictures of himself and making stickers out of them. We get a good laugh out of them whenever he sends us a pic of himself leaning into the screen giving us the finger.

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        Iphone users keep sending me long horribly compressed videos i can’t see at all because it’s not a problem between iPhones. And something about group chats?

        That’s all I know of based on my experience.

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        iMessage is basically proprietary RCS. SMS doesn’t support images, for example. When you send an image via “sms” you’re really probably using “mms” behind the scenes, which has severe limits to quality. If you send an image with imessage, RCS, or any of a variety of custom messaging protocols, you can get the full-quality image.

        They also support gimmicks like “reacting” to messages which get overlaid in-line with a heart icon. On SMS it is sent as “MooseBoys loved ‘be right there’”.

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          They also support gimmicks like “reacting” to messages which get overlaid in-line with a heart icon. On SMS it is sent as “MooseBoys loved ‘be right there’”.

          Technically, yes SMS doesn’t support reactions. But you can do what Google does and just parse that text and “turn” it into a reaction for viewing purposes.

          If an iPhone user sends me a reaction it looks fine to me, but funnily enough now when I send one back it looks the exact way Apple sends it to non Apple devices.

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          RCS is basically proprietary RCS.

          It is not open, it is controlled by the telcos, and google has been pushing their own proprietary version of RCS to the telcos.

          It’s no better than iMessage. This isn’t a problem in the rest of the world, they just all use WhatsApp.

          This is a legacy of the US being out in front of adoption of SMS, and it still being ingrained. It’s largely only a US problem. And it’s not even really a problem.

          I love iMessage, but I have WhatsApp and signal and like 19 other apps that offer messaging for people who prefer it.

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            but I have WhatsApp and signal and like 19 other apps that offer messaging

            That’s the problem. Maybe it’s a cultural thing, but Americans seem to be quite averse to downloading a new app or signing up for a new service just to communicate with someone if I have their phone number. As a result, it needs to be supported by default on all phones as shipped. Today, the only thing that fits that is SMS.

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              I guess. I’m American and interact with plenty of friends via discord, instagram and others. My friend group has a private discord and I use DMs instead of iMessage all the time.

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        how is iMessage fundamentally any different from texting

        Not entirely sure what you’re asking but

        • iOS does not allow you to use any other messaging app for SMS. This is surely intentional to lock you into iMessage.

        • If you’re messaging iOS --> iOS your “text” messages (SMS) are automatically upgraded to the iMessage protocol, and there are a wide variety of features that are enabled without the user downloading any other apps or switching the protocol. It just happens.

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          You can turn off iMessage and you’ll be sending texts as regular SMS.

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              No clue, just saying you’re “allowed” to use SMS if it’s important to you. But I might have misinterpreted you!

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                Above commenter was saying that you’re not allowed to use any other app besides the default messages app to send SMS on an iPhone, so a third party can’t just come in with an SMS app that also implements RCS so everyone can be happy

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          You can send SMS on iPhone with the Google voice app. Yes it would be from a different phone number than your SIM, but it works.

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      Do you think the problem lies with Apple, or the idiot kids that somehow created a hierarchy around a text bubble color?

      And let’s face it- if you owned/ran a company that was making fuck-tons of money because idiot kids rallied around exclusive text bubble colors, you’d want to keep that going as well. Don’t even try lying about it.

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        It’s not just the bubble color. The bubble color means it will be more difficult to exchange photos/videos (they get sent in MMS and compressed to hell) or use stickers/reactions properly.

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            Or just don’t use iMessage for texting. Every other messaging app has these features and is free and usable on every smartphone

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            SMS isold and shitty, but its supported on every phone model. Apple stacked iMessage on top of it for rich media when both endpoints support iMessage. android and others stacked RCS on top of SMS for the same rich media purposes. When incompatible devices communicate (iOS<->non-iOS), they fall back to crappy SMS. You’re saying you like the separate-system status quo and if you want to communicate with one group or the other (iOS or non-iOS), switch devices. We’re saying why can’t we all just have one rich-media format that works for everybody?" I don’t care if Apple switches to RCS or opens up full-featured iMessage to everybody. I just want to be able to talk to all my friends without us having to buy the same hardware. Are you just being intentionally obtuse?

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            I have an iPhone, and the primary reason why is because 90% of my friends and family will not adopt another app for messaging. Why should they when literally everyone else they communicate with can take iMessages?

            But when everyone is passing around photos and videos, the one person who greatly prefers open-standards gets (and sends) potato quality.

            And that is really Apples “fault”. Not really, though, because it’s not an accident that they have an amazing messaging platform that is the system default and just so happens to be proprietary. And as such they have no incentive to fix it, because it will only lead to people like me leaving iPhone.

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        Kids are idiots and Apple is exploiting it.

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          No, they’re not. They didn’t make the kids rally around bubble colors. They didn’t create the hierarchy. Nor did they create any enticements or reward those that used it. It just happened. Not doing anything to stop it isn’t exploiting it.

          And expecting any company to cater to the stupidity of its or it’s competitor’s user base is fucking ignorant.

          As I said- you k ow damn well you’d do the exact same thing about it- which is nothing. And collect tons of cash.

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            As I said- you k ow damn well you’d do the exact same thing about it- which is nothing. And collect tons of cash.

            No I would make it available to everyone in a fuckin’ heartbeat because I’m not a scumbag but maybe that’s why I’m not a CEO.

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      You can’t make this stuff up

      Except that You literally made it up though? You embellished the part about poor families and cheap phones, here’s the actual quote:

      I am concerned [that] iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove an obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones.

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          Kids might want an Android phone for another reason than “we’re poor”. For a while, there were plenty of apps you could get on an Android that you couldn’t get on an iPhone. Customization was a big deal back when I was in highschool. All the cool kids had these shitty custom launchers that made their phone borderline unusable if you didn’t know how they were setup, but that was the cool thing to do back then.

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            I’ve got the money to buy an iPhone, but prefer Android for customization and app reasons still. Apple is far too restrictive of a phone that you own. I like the ability to side load apps, and I play a lot of emulated GBA/DS games, and apple doesn’t allow emulator apps on their store.

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              I can afford an iPhone 15 but I run a used OnePlus 6T I got on eBay for $100 because postmarketOS runs well on it. I ran a $200 PinePhone for a while before that. Bring on the phones that put the user’s control ahead of the profits.

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          I’d read it the way it was written. Apple has less expensive phones for people who want them, and honestly most poor families just get their phones through their carrier at a monthly rate, so your assertion isn’t really a necessary tactic.

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            Uh… Apple has the iPhone. That’s all they have. They make the iPhone. One phone. What other phone do that have?

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              They currently offer 4 different families of iPhone for sale. The cheapest one is the SE for $429.

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        What else could it imply? Surely if money is not an obstacle they’d just buy the iPhone they wanted for their kids.