• hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest
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    1 year ago

    We can talk about whataboutism

    You’re not talking about whataboutisim you’re doing a whataboutisim. Israel is an apartheid state. If Israel want’s to stop the violence they can get their settlers out of the west bank. They can give back Gaza. Until they get the fuck out of Palestinian land I can’t blame the Palestinians for fighting to get them out.

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      If Israel want’s to stop the violence they can get their settlers out of the west bank.

      Somewhat naive to think that will stop the violence. Israel was withdrawing through the 90s as part of the Oslo Process, which ended with the Second Initifada. There are substantial populations on both sides that want the other side gone from that land completely, and they will take any opportunity to further entrench themselves and stoke conflict.

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          1 year ago

          Better? No. People much more experienced in negotiation and more knowledgeable of the history than you or I have tried for decades. The Arab League rejected the first offer, which remains to this day the best offer, in a UN vote. They never wanted Israel to exist and they still don’t, and yet it does. Compromise is not a solution here; the British knew that in 1948 when they refused to enforce the partition plan. I hope to be proven wrong some day, but from my perspective, the only solution is for one side to win.

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            1 year ago

            I dk man, sounds like a cop out. I’m pretty sure if Israel just stopped doing war crimes hamas would eventually lose support in Palestine.

            Laying back and embracing the final solution your proposing just doesn’t seem like the right call.

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              You could as easily say israel would stop bombing palestine if hamas stopped doing terrorist attacks but then were just going back 100 years of back and forth tbh.

              Point is that if israel did what you said today, the violence towards them would not stop. And just picking one side and unilaterally ignoring everything bad the other side has done is literally just feeding into this shit

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      1 year ago

      I can’t blame the Palestinians for fighting to get them out.

      Oh is that what they were doing at the music festival?

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        You think you said something smart but that music festival took place on stolen land.

        Doesn’t make it ok to kill civilians. But yes. That’s what they were doing. They were violently removing the guests of the colonist state invading them.

        And speaking of killing civilians didn’t the government of Israel just tell a bunch of civilians where to seek shelter and then immediately bomb that shelter? How very honorable of them

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          They told them to go to a city and then bombed where Hamas was, which was also in that city.

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            I dk what you think you’re saying but you’re just admitting that Israel kills civilians on purpose. You’re dropping the veil of “human shields” and admitting that Israel is putting the civilians where they know Hamas is so they can use it as an excuse to kill both.

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              1 year ago

              Not even remotely.

              Copied from another comment

              It’s actually because the “refugee camp” is a city of 120,000 people that have been there for 76 years in permanent buildings.

              It was struck because militants were firing from it. Yes, there will be civilian casualties while Hamas is hiding in civilian structures. That’s what Hamas does.

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                  You didn’t even know the “camp” was a literal city.

                  Consider that you’ve bought into propaganda.

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                    I just checked my history and I haven’t used the word camp on Lemmy before right this very second. I’m pretty sure you have me confused with someone else.

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          1 year ago

          Well congratu-fucking-lations, you got the attention of big brother USA now by killing and kidnapping Americans. Hope y’all are prepared for the Gerald R Ford and her CSG, 'cause ready or not, here we come.

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        With that logic there is no solution and Israel is justified in depopulating Gaza entirely.

        OK so just to be clear I said “Israel needs to stop taking what isn’t theirs” and you said “nah they should just kill everyone”. And people still don’t know which side is wrong here?