• gedaliyah@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Exactly. Hamas is a monstrous organization based on the most corrupted religious fundamentalism, but I have nothing but love for the people of Gaza.

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        1 year ago

        First of all I really wouldn’t put much weight on the voting results in an area where Hamas uses violence for decades to keep in power. Especially if there isn’t any semblance of a modern democratic state such as regular(!!) elections, freedom of speech and a free press. A 1-2 generation long youth indoctrination like the Nazis did also really doesn’t create an educated and politically mature population.

        And of course 53% still leaves a huge amount of people who aren’t in favour. Not to mention that there is a 70+ year long ongoing conflict which has left pretty much no one in Gaza (or Israel for that matter) who doesn’t know someone getting hurt or killed by the opposing side’s actions. It’s hardly surprising that there’s hard feeling (major understatement) in a lot of people.

        And lastly we certainly wouldn’t want to use public opinion as justification for killing civilians. That’s the reasoning the likes of Osama bin Laden do to justify shit like 9/11.

        TL;DR: This conflict is complicated as hell and basically a self fueling cycle of hatred where even the good side is acting very shitty a lot of times.

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          1 year ago

          whatever do you mean by “the good side”? there is no good side.

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          maybe it’s not complicated. All groups who fight oppressors have been labelled as violent extremists. so perhaps it’s actually quite simple.

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            This conflict is anything but simple. Nearly a century of bloody violence by both sides seldom makes for a clear good vs evil conflict. The fact that Hamas still is the worse autocratic despotic ruler when compared to the hardliner wanna be authoritarians of Netanyahu’s party proves that. Fighting back against oppression doesn’t absolve you from the human duty of compassion and when you indiscriminately kill civilians your fight isn’t justice anymore but just another crime against humanity!

            Maybe back when the Zionist militants/terrorist first started to wage their war to get their own country one could have pointed at one side as the good one. But since then both sides have committed countless atrocities. The only thing for sure is that neither kids deserve to grow up in such an environment and to be raised to continue the fight for another generation.

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              1 year ago

              Seems like the Palestinians want the right to return to their homes and communities and Israel just can’t find a way to give a damn.

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      Yes, exactly. It’s worth noting though, that many good people are brought into these regimes, and are folded into the hate by their leaders, and the hate they receive from the extremists that oppose them. Not only do terrorists and gangs harm those they seek to harm, but they also grow and root their evil into the normal and healthy communities they base themselves in. Both Hamas and Israel are poisoning their own people more than those they directly kill.

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      1 year ago

      I know that Israel has been doing nothing but brutalizing Palestinians, but Hamas shot back a few times so they’re basically the same.

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        I know, right? Don’t they know reality is a zero sum game?

        Horrific acts done against a group of people cancel out the horrific acts they do. As long as the other side is “worse” you can torture, murder, and rape all you want – it’s totally justified. Especially if you indiscriminately target defensless civilian populations for your “revenge”.

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          You are morally obliged to shoot and kill people who are invading your country. The fact that includes civilians is not the fault of Hamas. Just a thought: if you don’t want to get killed in a war maybe don’t kick out the inhabitants to move into an active war zone??

          And yes, it’s an active war zone. Even the EU calls them what they are: an illegal occupation. You are passively supporting ethnic genocide.

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              Israel has targeted health centers and large apartment blocks as reprisals. they threated to punish the whole population by switching off electricity.

              why are they even in control of the electricity?

              why are they allowing settlers to create illegal settlements?

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                Glad you asked why Israel is in control of the electricity. They are in control of the power because Fatah/PLO pocketed millions (perhaps billions) of dollars worth of Israeli and international aid specifically earmarked for building power and water plants. In other words, Israel provides power because otherwise there would be no power, because Arafat and his minions were corrupt.

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                  why is that Israel’s concern? Just divest from the area and let them get on with it.

                  It’s difficult of course with all the illegal Israeli settlements taking land from people and cutting up the already small area of land.

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              not sure why you conflate women and children seeking asylum as invaders. that’s embarrassing.

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                Can you only think in terms of groups? Believe it or not, I did not join lemm.ee because of my politics or whatever, I just like the name.

                Interesting that your first response to an opinion you don’t agree with is a call for defederation. Ignoring the opinions and ideas of people you disagree with puts you in an echo chamber.

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                  Look at thier comment history. Defederating is their go to response for everything

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          Palestine has been trying peace for well over a decade. Israel doesn’t care. They like the violence and they benefit from the violence.