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      probably true for ansi/english keyboards

      for all/most (?) euro/iso keyboards altgr+4 for $. Shift+4 for ¤

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        Do people actually use non - english keyboards? All my computers that I ever owned used the standard US layout. If I want to type in my language, I switch layout and I’ve simply learned where the characters are. But 99% of the time, I’m using the US layout.

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          Fairly common to use en/us-layouts with highend mechanical keybards, as parts for those are more readily available.

          But outside of the mech keebs or other niches, yea, people use the regional keyboard variants. Because it’s just easier if you can see the weirdo ümlâuts/etc regional characters on the keycaps when you’re not a touch typist. Over here (finland) it’s actually pretty hard to even get ansi/us layout keyboard unless you really go about your way and seek one out, basically all keyboards in stores are fin/swe iso layout. I’d assume the same is true to most euro countries.

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            I am using a Planck 40% mech keyboard I consider high-end (as in personal endgame) and my base layout is euro/iso, but I have a custom layer for programming related signs like the $-sign. This way I have a better experience than I would have with a US-layout.

            Programmers using mainly US-layout is a false assumption. I have only 2 out of 10 colleagues using it.

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              oh wow. I have preonic, but I’ve more or less given up on learning to type with it. It’s way too narrow. I like the concept but a split ortho would be better, as I wouldn’t have to “hunch down” on it so much.

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                I could only make the switch to my custom layout on the Planck, because the small size of the keyboard makes it possible to use it everywhere.

                I have 4 of them with identical layout. (: I cannot type on regular keyboards anymore. ^^

                Maybe the Ergodox is for you: https://ergodox-ez.com/

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                  Its pretty close, but ideally I’d want to have it fit fin/swe layout without using modifiers to type ö and ä, and have them more or less where they’d be on normie layout. (I can live without å, so that already gives 1 key more leeway).

                  So far pretty much no ortho split allows this, I think. Unless I move enter key to the thumb keys or so. But then again that might be the default for eego/split keebs anyway, I dunno.

                  Going to have to read up on these a bit more.

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          I’ve grown up learning to type on my regional layout. Why would I go through the hassle of re-learning key placements when most laptops/keyboards sold in my country use the regional layout? I don’t think I’ve ever been in a situation where I’ve had to work on any other layout for more than a few minutes.