• derf82@lemmy.world
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    I get that Dems are enjoying seeing the Republicans seem to fail, but I get the feeling this is going to turn out horribly. We’re going to see Speaker Jim Jordan or Matt Gaetz and the country will suffer for it.

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      Highly unlikely. Freedom caucus will not get the speakership. GOP hates them more than McCarthy. Gaetz didn’t think this through. The only option is more of the same or somebody more friendly to the Democrats.

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        The freedom caucus can block any nominee they want, and Republicans have made it clear they won’t accept someone that wants to work with Dems. It took 15 votes to get McCarthy as it was. I am not hopeful.

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          The freedom caucus can only block nominees if no compromise is made with dems. The gop can give concessions and have a speaker tomarrow if they like.

          If they dont, then the house will have no speaker, and the GOP will get no bills passed of any type. The budget will be CRs until the election because none of the middle of the road GOP wants the shutdown fallout.

          Then, hopefully all these clowns get walloped.

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            No bills can be brought without a speaker, so no CRs until a speaker is elected. The temp running the show has 3 powers: He can call a recess, adjourn, and call a vote for the speaker. That’s it. No other legislation passes unless they can get off their asses and put in a speaker.

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                Yes. A government shutdown is what happens when Congress fails to pass a law that allows the federal government the necessary funds to operate. If the House is unable to pass such a law, the federal government will shut down.

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              Which would also imply they can’t bring an impeachment vote in front of the House.

              I’ve been saying for a while now that the best way to fight fascism (before it gets to its terrible end state) is to push them to fight each other in purity contests. This is a good example.

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          If we oversimplify what happened, it’s hilarious that they are mad at him for voting with Dems, so they got rid of him by voting with Dems.

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            And one of the more likely scenarios is the non-freedom caucus GOP cuts a deal with Democrats to neuter freedom caucus’ power.

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              Which is what McCarthy should have done a while ago. “I won’t do this stupid impeachment inquiry as long as you back me when they try to oust me”

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                You’re assuming Kevin is smart.

                I think he’s just terrified of Trumps base.

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                  He is(edit: terrified, not smart). For sure. But the way you strip their power is by ripping the band-aid off and stop kowtowing to their non sense. That’s what actual leadership is. Saying “we need to do it this way because it’s the right thing to do” even if it’s hard or unpopular.

                  The Republican moderates, if any actually still exist, could take back control of their party if they really had the balls to. It would require them to call a spade a spade, and then start working with Democrats.

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        I mean they just showed they have the power to remove the speaker, the power goes through them

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        Well, we have Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise as the choices. Both worse than McCarthy.

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          They gotta get the votes. Idk if u saw how Kevin struggled but he used everything he had politically to get that gavel in the first place… and even some he didn’t have. When he caved then that was when the idiots like gaetz knew he had kev by the balls…which is why we are here now.

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      I can’t shake the bad feeling that the timing is going to be a real problem once shutdown time rolls around here in less than 40-ish days. What if we don’t even have a fucking speaker at all by then??

      There is the possibility that Dems coordinate a vote with the not-Freedom Caucus GOP to elect the least disagreeable candidate, though…

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        If that was a possibility, I would think they would have done so in one of the 14 ballots before Republicans settled on McCarthy.

        Look what they did to Liz Chaney. They would expel a Republican that did that from the party, and then they would Primary them out of office.

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          The next speaker will be incentivized to neuter the freedom clowns after what happened to McCarthy.

          So I think there is a better chance they try to strike a deal with the Dems. Honestly it’s just mins blowing to me that the Republicans see this absolute fiasco as a better outcome than getting 10-15 Dems on board. It wouldnt take much work.

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            Any Republican that works with Dems any more than McCarthy is likely to be primaried. They have brainwashed their base to think Dems = Evil, and working with them is worse than a deal with the Devil.

            Republicans are stuck in this weird place where they do not have enough votes for a majority without the freedom caucus, but the base will replace them if they work with Dems. As such, they placate the freedom caucus.

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              They can’t do it like wounded gazelles. They have to act together or in larger numbers. Don’t get picked off one by one.

              I know they are cowards, but jeez, I guess they can’t trust each other enough to do it together.

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      Plus most ofvmy family would blame this all the dems for not reaching accross the asile, and being the party of devision.