It’s pretty wild that you’re getting on someone’s case about lacking evidence when you’ve utterly failed to provide any of your own that any one has ever actually been hassled for giving CPR to a woman.
I am a paramedic, these comments have lost me. At least in the United States there is a 0% chance anything will happen if someone does CPR on another while acting in good faith.
This does exclude some some uncomfortable situations where family is screaming at me that I’m not doing enough or that I need to help them and people have appeared to be close to getting violent but I’ve never been attacked, and if someone is threatening another individual that is trying to help, leave. We can’t help other people if we become another person who needs help.
But I’ve done CPR on a lot of people, it’s violent. No one around will ever have to wonder what is being done, it is very clear and I don’t believe it is possible to confuse with touching an unconscious person inappropriately. Again, these comments have lost me. Maybe if some of these people would see a resuscitation attempt, they’d probably realize once the patient is spitting up blood from how violently their chest is being pushed on, there is no way to misinterpret CPR for groping.
I provided a link showing that this risk, real or perceived is prevalent.
But you didn’t read that, did you?
I also didn’t make the case that I knew the numbers on the risk, in fact I made the case that neither of us know. So the burden of proof is on the person making the claim of knowing the risk. That’s not me.
I provided a link showing that this risk, real or perceived is prevalent.
Suddenly trying to substitute “perceived risk” for “real risk” is a rather weaselly way to make an argument about real risk.
But you didn’t read that, did you?
Yes, and it was an odd article for you to link to since it didn’t at all support your claim about there being real risk. Perceptions do not always align with reality, and you know that.
I also didn’t make the case that I knew the numbers on the risk, in fact I made the case that neither of us know. So the burden of proof is on the person making the claim of knowing the risk. That’s not me.
You’ve been making the claim in almost every comment that there’s a real risk of someone being accused of a sex crime while performing CPR. You’ve provided no evidence for that risk. You’ve admitted that you have no evidence of that risk. Yet you still keep claiming it’s a real risk. You don’t just get to say, “Well neither of us know for sure therefore you must accept my claim”. That’s ridiculous.
If neither of us have proof either way, it’s a stalemate. That doesn’t make me wrong, but it doesn’t make me right.
Given that if a bra has underwire, I may have to remove it for a defibrillator, you can’t perceive a possible misunderstanding?
The risk isn’t necessarily legal, but social so. A court case isn’t required for it to be real.
Kim wright is a case where the man was sued. You don’t see many cases because they’re laughed out of court, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t damage done.
I have 2 REAL questions for you.
If there’s zero risk to being accused of harm when you’re trying to help, why do Good Samaritan laws exist? What was the need?
Can you perceive a possible misinterpretation when I have to remove an unconscious woman’s garments including bra for a defibrillator?
It’s pretty wild that you’re getting on someone’s case about lacking evidence when you’ve utterly failed to provide any of your own that any one has ever actually been hassled for giving CPR to a woman.
I know paramedics who got formal complaints about this. Their boss ignored as the paramedics were acting as trained.
I am a paramedic, these comments have lost me. At least in the United States there is a 0% chance anything will happen if someone does CPR on another while acting in good faith.
This does exclude some some uncomfortable situations where family is screaming at me that I’m not doing enough or that I need to help them and people have appeared to be close to getting violent but I’ve never been attacked, and if someone is threatening another individual that is trying to help, leave. We can’t help other people if we become another person who needs help.
But I’ve done CPR on a lot of people, it’s violent. No one around will ever have to wonder what is being done, it is very clear and I don’t believe it is possible to confuse with touching an unconscious person inappropriately. Again, these comments have lost me. Maybe if some of these people would see a resuscitation attempt, they’d probably realize once the patient is spitting up blood from how violently their chest is being pushed on, there is no way to misinterpret CPR for groping.
I provided a link showing that this risk, real or perceived is prevalent.
But you didn’t read that, did you?
I also didn’t make the case that I knew the numbers on the risk, in fact I made the case that neither of us know. So the burden of proof is on the person making the claim of knowing the risk. That’s not me.
But you’re not gonna listen to that either.
😉 have a nice day.
Suddenly trying to substitute “perceived risk” for “real risk” is a rather weaselly way to make an argument about real risk.
Yes, and it was an odd article for you to link to since it didn’t at all support your claim about there being real risk. Perceptions do not always align with reality, and you know that.
You’ve been making the claim in almost every comment that there’s a real risk of someone being accused of a sex crime while performing CPR. You’ve provided no evidence for that risk. You’ve admitted that you have no evidence of that risk. Yet you still keep claiming it’s a real risk. You don’t just get to say, “Well neither of us know for sure therefore you must accept my claim”. That’s ridiculous.
Have a nice day.
If neither of us have proof either way, it’s a stalemate. That doesn’t make me wrong, but it doesn’t make me right.
Given that if a bra has underwire, I may have to remove it for a defibrillator, you can’t perceive a possible misunderstanding?
The risk isn’t necessarily legal, but social so. A court case isn’t required for it to be real.
Kim wright is a case where the man was sued. You don’t see many cases because they’re laughed out of court, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t damage done.
I have 2 REAL questions for you.
If there’s zero risk to being accused of harm when you’re trying to help, why do Good Samaritan laws exist? What was the need?
Can you perceive a possible misinterpretation when I have to remove an unconscious woman’s garments including bra for a defibrillator?