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    • kool_newt@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      Ok, please tell me the problems you have with the political compass disregarding the website and questions. If it’s so flawed, you should easily be able to point them out right?

      • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        1 year ago

        I already have told you. Political economy is one thing not two separate axis. Promoting the opposite is promoting political illiteracy, which is the “tools” whole point. Its not educating its obfuscating.

        • kool_newt@lemm.ee
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          1 year ago

          I’d say your obfuscating by conflating politics and economics. Sure they are closely related and thus the X,Y graph, but they are not the same. Neither of us is the arbiter of truth so I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree here.

          • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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            1 year ago

            I’d say your obfuscating by conflating politics and economics

            You could say that, but only because you’ve fundamentally bought in to a right wing framing through belief a right wing propaganda tool.

            Neither of us is the arbiter of truth

            Ok? Thats a complete thought terminating cliche. No one has to be the sole arbiter of truth to say things that are true about our material reality.

            I didn’t invent the concept of political economy. If you think its obfuscation, take it up with the political theorists of the 17th and 18th centuries and the socialist theorists of the 19th who drew on their work.

            I’m not inventing things and arbiting truth, im talking about actual theory and not propaganda models, that have clearly worked in your case.

            Sure they are closely related and thus the X,Y graph, but they are not the same

            This is the problem with the political compass, and its entire reason for existing. Its to decouple politics from economics and create a belief that some things are similar or related when they are not - a flattening of political understanding to render people illiterate.

            The use of “authoritarianism” as an axis - a word that is not meaningfully definable - is only used to perpetuate the Cold War mythologies of communists being the same as nazis. Just like double genocide theory, this view of politics is ultimately nazi apologia.

            On the reverse, it serves to legitimize “right libertarianism” by flattening peoples understanding to make it look like it has something in common with actual ideological traditions like anarchism. As a professed anarchist, you should abhor this flattening and equivocation and the model that promotes it. I’m not personally an anarchist, but i find it disgusting how they’ve sought legitimacy by trying to tie themselves to actual intellectual and political tendencies.

            • kool_newt@lemm.ee
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              1 year ago

              Fair argument, I disagree. Tools are for measuring things, disagreeing with something doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be learned about, measured, and viewed in context. If you have a better tool that contains virtually all positions without simply leaving out those you disagree with please show me.

          • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net
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            1 year ago

            obfuscating by conflating politics and economics

            How do you type this out without spotting the obvious absurdity, just what do you think the point of politics is?

            There can be no conflation because politics and economics are inseparable, like how hardware and software are inseparable components of computerization

            Every civilization has a mode of production that allows said civilization to reproduce itself, and that reproduction is implemented as a matter of political will shaped thru the realities of whatever specific mode defines the civilization, it’s not a “close relationship” that may or may not interact depending on some vacuum context, instead politics and economics are literal embodiments of each other that always interact in the physical world humans inhabit

            • kool_newt@lemm.ee
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              1 year ago

              Explain why you think class dynamics --> social issues is a one-way street. Change can and does flow both ways.

              • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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                1 year ago

                I’m literally saying they’re interconnected systems, youre the one claiming economics and politics are seperable. Marxism is literally political economy, we don’t think they can be meaningfully separated.