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    That doesn’t surprise me. It felt really janky in the book, like I said above, it’s as though Jordan just needed to get Rand to Cairhein quickly, and any deeper plot points would probably have felt like derivative parallel universes stuff.

    I think he was trying to do something plot-important, and those Mirror Worlds are representative of something important that I think he does with other things. There’s more, but you’re not late enough in book 2 for me to discuss it with you without spoilers yet.

    that portals world thing with super-on-the-nose Selene out of no where really emphasises the sentiment

    When you’re done with Book 2, let me know and I might be able to give you a different take on this :) There are theories that were never confirmed/denied here.

    I’ll reserve judgment until the end of book 2, with my general aim being to finish book 4 (as that’s apparently when the series really starts)

    I would say the series really starts early in book 4. Book 4 is largely considered the best book in the series, and it’s the big character-growth book for several major players.

    but that portals world with selene sequence really did feel like some low tier fantasy

    Without spoilers (see above), I think it was intended to feel like low-tier fantasy.

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      When you’re done with Book 2, let me know and I might be able to give you a different take on this

      Will do!

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        Actually, you’re already through S2E5, right? So…

        Spoiler through S2E4, theory about Portal Stones and Selene

        Of course it’s on the nose. Rand didn’t accidentally channel there. Lanfear intentionally channeled him there, and made it look like it was him so she could have time with him and manipulate him (away from those around him).

        There was no “win” for plot by him getting to Cairhien before the hunters. It was a win for one of the Forsaken to get him (mostly) alone.

        And as for opportunity… THAT we can discuss after you finish The Great Hunt… or maybe a lot later I’m not sure. My theory on how Rand got to a Portal Stone at all is a lot more spoilery and more of a stretch.

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          Spoiler through S2E4, theory about Portal Stones and Selene

          Thanks! I figured as much re Lanfear … part of why I say the whole thing is a bit on the nose. The moment she turns up and even Rand is confused about how she managed to defend herself against the monster you know she’s behind Rand getting there. The reason I called it a dream land of some sort was I figured it might have even been a special construct of Lanfear’s.

          The only thing that muddies the waters about what the portal land actually is or if for … is the movements of Fain and his group. It’s not clear (at this point in the book) why they’re zig-zagging around (it being Lanfear’s directions would be my best guess ATM??) and what it means that Hurin could pick up they’re scent in the portal world at what seems to be ahead of their actual arrival.

          As to how Rand ended up a portal stone … that seems way too spoilery for me at this point!

          Thanks again!!

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            part of why I say the whole thing is a bit on the nose

            Pretty quickly you’re realizing that Lanfear is simultaneously the most devious of the forsaken and the most immature. She wanted to be the princess swept off her feet by the reincarnation of her old jilted lover. I know “princesses” like that, and I’m sure you do. Imagine if that princess had a 150 IQ and was the most powerful sorceress in known human history. Jordan practically invented the modern practice of turning fantasy tropes on their head, and that’s what he did here with Selene… In a way that I think he intended to be really obvious. But maybe could have been a bit less obvious anyway.

            The reason I called it a dream land of some sort was I figured it might have even been a special construct of Lanfear’s.

            Ahhh… I never thought of it that way. You’ve probably already realized from our conversation that it isn’t a construct of hers, but it would make a lot of sense if it had been.

            It’s not clear (at this point in the book) why they’re zig-zagging around

            My opinion is that he’s playing possum. But also… the fade nailed to a wall was meant to be an obvious change of leadership (which means change of plans).

            and what it means that Hurin could pick up they’re scent in the portal world at what seems to be ahead of their actual arrival.

            A regular idea of Jordan’s is that “time works differently in other worlds”. It genuinely may be no deeper than that, consistent throughout the books. We don’t get too much info into the workings of sniffers, unfortunately.

            As to how Rand ended up a portal stone … that seems way too spoilery for me at this point!

            Yup :). I can say that it’s all theory and never specifically said. So mere chance (with Lanfear being opportunistic) is possible. Like waygates, portal stones are somewhat common. Unlike waygates, the commonness of portal stones doesn’t matter much. Waygates are important to the story in ways that I know Jordan had already considered when he introduced one in book 1 (spoilers through aMoL, so stopping there).