What I got out of it was that just ignoring the fascists that go to speak on left-leaning college campuses doesn’t really work. They do this as a power move rather than to get noticed, and usually attack/intimidate minorities on campus one way or the other when they show up. “I’ll hurt them (minorities) in order to hurt you (white leftists/libs)”. He encourages everyone, especially white people, to be anti-racist and protest the hell out of these fascists because showing that you have power in numbers is a great way to respond to them and avoid minorities from getting hurt in the process.
I get the cause, I understand the motivation but… have we really arrive at the point where we have to give up on deradicalization of alt-right electorate?
I totally get a person of colour getting personally attacked by racism and responding with equal violence but a white dude policing racism in his closed circles is… weird
It still feels like a white dude getting offended on behalf of someone whom he doesn’t even understand all that well. And the race is just one example.
Imagine your white friend Bob tells that your behaviour upsets Kurdish Christians. Like how do you respond to that? Should you drop everything in your life and learn about Kurds and their traditions? And do that every time someone corrects your behaviour?
Can you provide a timestamp where violence is encouraged? I still have to watch this one but I’ve seen every other Alt-Right Playbook video, and encouraging violence would be a 180 from the previous videos.
What is weird about being anti-racist and pushing back against racism if one encounters it among people they know?
Can you provide a timestamp where violence is encouraged?
There’s none and video never said explicitly anything about committing violence.
What is weird about being anti-racist and pushing back against racism if one encounters it among people they know?
Basically the video advocates for pushing back against injustices of the world - not only racism, but all of them; racism here is just an example. Here I’m trying to understand what does it imply and how it actually would look like in real world.
Many people might simply not know that they’re acting racist and if you push back against them at that random moment (let’s call it aggressive approach), it looks like you’re picking up on them.
They dig their heels to prove that there’s nothing wrong this and that joke.
At this point there’s nothing you can say to change their mind. Your best bet would be simply excluding them from your friend list as an act of being anti-racist.
On the other hand, if you talk to people on fair grounds, tell what you know about the subject without antagonising them (or maybe even without acknowledging their past mistakes), you’d get much easier time to get them to listen. Let’s call it diplomatic approach.
I think that diplomatic approach works much better in the society where people are close: like families and friends
I don’t understand why you would say it sounds like it’s encouraging violence and then turn around and tell me it’s not. Very strange.
I’m sure the scenarios you pictured have and will continue to happen. I would bet that dozens or even hundreds of variations have and will continue to happen as well. Different people present things differently, receive things differently, and mull things over differently, or not at all. That’s why it is so important to continue confronting racism and other issues to the best of our abilities. The changes we need to see won’t happen all at once, but if we do nothing, they won’t happen at all.
why you would say it sounds like it’s encouraging violence
I just applied broader definition to this concept. Here’s a post explaining it, we can discuss it there if you want.
confronting racism
if we do nothing
The mechanics of how to appropriately “confront” the world’s issues worry me a lot. And while I do good in this area, I accept that some ways might be simply counter productive.
I don’t claim the suggested ways in the video to achieve its goals are counter productive but I do wanna know more about it.
Thanks for the video! Philosophy Tube had a video on that very topic several years ago. If that’s the angle you were approaching that from, I would opine that your word choice was significantly confusing.
I ought not discuss any further until I’ve had a chance to actually watch the Innuendo video of topic. Thanks again for the link.
What I got out of it was that just ignoring the fascists that go to speak on left-leaning college campuses doesn’t really work. They do this as a power move rather than to get noticed, and usually attack/intimidate minorities on campus one way or the other when they show up. “I’ll hurt them (minorities) in order to hurt you (white leftists/libs)”. He encourages everyone, especially white people, to be anti-racist and protest the hell out of these fascists because showing that you have power in numbers is a great way to respond to them and avoid minorities from getting hurt in the process.
It feels like encouragement of violence.
I get the cause, I understand the motivation but… have we really arrive at the point where we have to give up on deradicalization of alt-right electorate?
I totally get a person of colour getting personally attacked by racism and responding with equal violence but a white dude policing racism in his closed circles is… weird
It still feels like a white dude getting offended on behalf of someone whom he doesn’t even understand all that well. And the race is just one example.
Imagine your white friend Bob tells that your behaviour upsets Kurdish Christians. Like how do you respond to that? Should you drop everything in your life and learn about Kurds and their traditions? And do that every time someone corrects your behaviour?
Can you provide a timestamp where violence is encouraged? I still have to watch this one but I’ve seen every other Alt-Right Playbook video, and encouraging violence would be a 180 from the previous videos.
What is weird about being anti-racist and pushing back against racism if one encounters it among people they know?
There’s none and video never said explicitly anything about committing violence.
Basically the video advocates for pushing back against injustices of the world - not only racism, but all of them; racism here is just an example. Here I’m trying to understand what does it imply and how it actually would look like in real world.
Many people might simply not know that they’re acting racist and if you push back against them at that random moment (let’s call it aggressive approach), it looks like you’re picking up on them.
They dig their heels to prove that there’s nothing wrong this and that joke.
At this point there’s nothing you can say to change their mind. Your best bet would be simply excluding them from your friend list as an act of being anti-racist.
On the other hand, if you talk to people on fair grounds, tell what you know about the subject without antagonising them (or maybe even without acknowledging their past mistakes), you’d get much easier time to get them to listen. Let’s call it diplomatic approach.
I think that diplomatic approach works much better in the society where people are close: like families and friends
I don’t understand why you would say it sounds like it’s encouraging violence and then turn around and tell me it’s not. Very strange.
I’m sure the scenarios you pictured have and will continue to happen. I would bet that dozens or even hundreds of variations have and will continue to happen as well. Different people present things differently, receive things differently, and mull things over differently, or not at all. That’s why it is so important to continue confronting racism and other issues to the best of our abilities. The changes we need to see won’t happen all at once, but if we do nothing, they won’t happen at all.
I just applied broader definition to this concept. Here’s a post explaining it, we can discuss it there if you want.
The mechanics of how to appropriately “confront” the world’s issues worry me a lot. And while I do good in this area, I accept that some ways might be simply counter productive.
I don’t claim the suggested ways in the video to achieve its goals are counter productive but I do wanna know more about it.
Thanks for the video! Philosophy Tube had a video on that very topic several years ago. If that’s the angle you were approaching that from, I would opine that your word choice was significantly confusing.
I ought not discuss any further until I’ve had a chance to actually watch the Innuendo video of topic. Thanks again for the link.