A draft law banning speech and dressing “detrimental to the spirit of Chinese people” has sparked debate in China.

If the law comes into force, people found guilty could be fined or jailed but the proposal does not yet spell out what constitutes a violation.

Social media users and legal experts have called for more clarity to avoid excessive enforcement.

China recently released a swathe of proposed changes to its public security laws - the first reforms in decades.

The clothing law has drawn immediate reaction from the public - with many online criticising it as excessive and absurd.

The contentious clauses suggest that people who wear or force others to wear clothing and symbols that “undermine the spirit or hurt the feelings of the Chinese nation” could be detained for up to 15 days and fined up to 5,000 yuan ($680; £550).

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    I find this kind of interesting after Naomi Wu (also known as SexyCyborg) recently had a run-in with the CCP and has largely gone silent online.

    For anyone not familiar with her/her situation, she’s a tech/maker YouTuber. She has a pretty radical look with enormous fake boobs and skimpy outfits, but she does have some genuinely interesting content. She had been calling out some security vulnerabilities that recently got some attention so that’s likely why the Chinese government, in her words, clipped her wings, but she had a bit of a target painted on her back regardless because of her appearance, being a lesbian, and because her girlfriend is a Uyghur.

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      bit of a target painted on her back regardless because of her appearance, being a lesbian, and because her girlfriend is a Uyghur.

      “Bit of a target” indeed. She’s like a walking Bingo card of everything China suppresses.

      Hope she’s okay.

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      Jesus Christ, I know moving your life is not that simple, but she and her gf need to run from that hell hole.

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      She’s a pretty smart gal, but uses her looks to Garner views and get attention which I would imagine is very difficult for female tech enthusiasts in China, which is male dominated.

      She also has non traditional sexual gender identities which doesn’t endear her to the Chinese authorities. But the real kicker is when she identified a security and privacy issue with an android keyboard.

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    Yeah? How about closing those sweatshops that pollute Chinese rivers, drinking water, that destroys soil so that plants can never grow again, where Chinese works inhale colorant and chemicals… how about that shit, CCP?

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      That hurts the land and the people and not the CCP’s feelings, so the CCP doesn’t care.

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      But then how is the CCP supposed to get money for more PR campaigns that magically don’t ever show those parts of China?

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    Zhao Hong, a law professor at the Chinese University of Political Science and Law said the lack of clarity could lead to an infringement of personal.

    Adorable that anyone is suggesting this is a bug, not a feature.

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      From how I understand the situation, that’s the quiet thing they don’t get to say out loud…

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    “Will wearing a suit and tie count? Marxism originated in the West. Would its presence in China also count as hurting national feelings,” one user posted on Chinese Twitter-like platform Weibo.

    She cited one case that drew headlines in China last year where a kimono-clad woman was detained in the city of Suzhou and accused of “picking quarrels and provoking trouble” because she had worn the Japanese garment. The incident sparked outrage across Chinese social media.

    “To wear a kimono is to hurt the feelings of the Chinese nation, to eat Japanese food is to jeopardise its spirit? When did the feelings and spirit of the time-tested Chinese nation become so fragile?” wrote one popular social commentator online, who writes under the pen name Wang Wusi.

    from here: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58394906

    In 2019, during further moves on censorship, China blurred out the earlobes of some of its young male pop stars in television and internet appearances to hide their piercings. Tattoos and men’s ponytails have also previously been blurred from screens.

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    but the proposal does not yet spell out what constitutes a violation.

    and this is not a coincidence. Authoritarian states love vaguely operationalized definitions like this because it’s basically a blanko check to arrest anyone at any time. And it puts the populace into a fearful, fatalist mindset of “I could be arrested at any time for bogus charges, even if I did nothing wrong.”

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    BORN TO DIE

    WORLD IS A FUCK

    Kill Em All 1989

    I am trash man

    410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS

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        They are listing all the printed t-shirts I have. Funny side story, while teaching in Japan, I’ve taught grannies with printed shirts that said stuff like this and they didnt understand. They thought it was cute and had foreign words. I think they needed to study more before their lessons.

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          Ohhhhhhhhh

          Haha these shirts are actually kinda funny in this context 😂

          Idk banning stuff is probably detrimental and a slippery slope but idk. Probably shouldn’t have your countries people running around with vial shit on their clothes (yeah yeah freedom of freedom with extra freedom and no responsibility, but like hitler tho.)

          Idk tough topic, knowing China though it’s probably just another power grab for them to take from their people. Cringe af no cap

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          “Missouri: the show me state” I have seen that shirt quite a few times in Asia. No, I didn’t ask any of them about it.

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      Honestly, I feel the same about both: it’s absurd. With France I get the “freedom from religion” spiel from some Frenchman, but it’s veiled xenophobia to me. When you ban a kind of clothing but only for one group of people, that’s basically the definition. Here, it’s just fascism. At least the Chinese people are speaking out.

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        France doesn’t ban religious anything, only in public schools, that’s all. Outside education people are free to do what they want. What China is doing is wildly different, China just bans things in general for all sectors of life

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          Public school? You mean that place that children are mandated to be? Also you forgot government. It was a whole thing. So if you’re a Muslim and you want to be a part of the French government, then I hope you don’t have any attachment to those head scarves. There are other religions ornamentation, but the head scarves one was the last one I saw. And whether school or a DMV clerk, it’s dumb.

          Also noticed I used two different labels for France rather than China. I think China is fascist with what they’re doing. France is xenophobic with what they’re doing.

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            France is the least Xenophobic country on Earth, what are you even saying?

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        The French didn’t ban for only one group of people, all religions are affected.

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          It targeted one group of people though.

          Either way banning clothes is stupid.

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            Other groups of people have been affected in the past. The Muslims are just the current latest group affected by it.

            Either way banning clothes is stupid.

            They have pretty sound logic for doing it

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              Other groups of people have been affected in the past. The Muslims are just the current latest group affected by it.

              Any recent examples?

              They have pretty sound logic for doing it

              What’s the logic?

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            I’ve been to France many times and religion isn’t banned at all, France is an incredibly diverse country, probably the most in all of Europe

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                Yes you are, that’s what you people are all implying and it’s completely false

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                  can you explain who “you people” are? are they in the room with us right now?

                  can you also give the specific quote where “you people” said france bans all religion? you didnt just, y’know, imagine it did you?

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          Yeah this is equality vs equity. If your religion has no religious outfits it doesn’t impact you if your religion does it does impact you. You can’t make a rule that only impacts one minority group and claim that it is fair because it hurts everyone the same way, since it clearly doesn’t.

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      My comments were about the same. As much as I hate religion you have every right to express it. French students should be able to wear religious symbols and garments in schools, the CCP should not be going after this shit, men have a right to sag their pants. I can go on but I think my point is clear, freedom includes the freedom to be offensive or it means nothing.

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      when women are obligated to cover up, people just accept those governments telling them what to do; have you seen any protests lately about governments in the middle east and asia telling women to cover up?

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    What more do they want? They already got rid of the Winnie the Pooh costume at Shanghai Disneyland.

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    I’m unable to find the original Chinese, but couldn’t “hurt national feelings” just as well be translated as “do emotional damage”? Like walking around London 1997 with a shirt that said “Princess Di deserved to die”? Now while that aint illegal in the UK (as far as I know) it’s at least a little less ridiculous to talk about trauma from events that affect a nation rather than this dismissive right-wing language of “hurt national feelings”.

    (this is not a pro-CCP comment please give me the benefit of the doubt)

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    A draft law banning speech and dressing “detrimental to the spirit of Chinese people” has sparked debate in China.

    The proposed legal changes also forbid “insulting, slandering or otherwise infringing upon the names of local heroes and martyrs” as well as vandalism of their memorial statues.

    Would its presence in China also count as hurting national feelings," one user posted on Chinese Twitter-like platform Weibo.

    She cited one case that drew headlines in China last year where a kimono-clad woman was detained in the city of Suzhou and accused of “picking quarrels and provoking trouble” because she had worn the Japanese garment.

    In March this year, police detained a woman donning a replica of a Japanese military uniform at a night market.

    And earlier last month, people who wore rainbow print clothing were denied entry to a concert by Taiwanese singer Chang Hui-mei in Beijing.


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