Most people in capitalist countries never leave the economic bracket they were born into. Capitalism is a primitive system of elites and peasants, filled with squalor and death.
Most people in capitalist countries never leave the economic bracket they were born into. Capitalism is a primitive system of elites and peasants, filled with squalor and death.
No you’re wrong. The USSR was a truly more equal society, dramatically more equal, provable in the empirical sense by the Gini coefficient.
It also achieved greater long term average growth, also provable empirically by measuring the size of the economy from the revolution to the fall of the Berlin Wall. Even if you include the destruction of the apocalyptic world war 2, a vicious revolution and counter revolutionary civil war, Hitler murdering tens of millions, the Cold War which saw insane spending on military, and the poor economic performance of the 1980s following the oil shocks of the late 70s…. All of that and still it was the greatest economic growth story of the 20th century when averaged over its lifetime.
Equality is good and a choice that can be made. You are eating the propaganda of your masters when you tell yourself that it’s somehow the natural state of man. Some inevitability that must be accepted for the greater good.
It’s not inevitable and it doesn’t lead to a greater good.
They don’t know what that is. And they definitely haven’t read Scheidel.
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I disagree.
But still a primitive system of elites and peasants, filled with squalor and death.
I don’t think I can choose to be equal to others. And I don’t think members of elites will reduce the likelihood of propagating their genes by choosing to make me equal to them. Because they haven’t.
You’re confused. I don’t believe it must be accepted for the geater good. I simply recognise the futility of wishing the world was not as it is: a primitive system of elites and peasants, filled with squalor and death.
I disagree. The evidence would appear to be to the contrary.
You said “you’re confused” then said you viewed the world exactly as I said you did
You claimed that I believed the view must be accepted “for the greater good” which I do not. That’s what you’re confused about. As I said.
So you accept it just because you like being socially inferior to some inbreds who were born rich?
No.
Then why DO you accept it? You seem to agree that things are like that. Yet you accept the world as it is so much as to argue with people who refuse to accept it and wish to build towards something better. The world was made this way by people, and we as people can change it.
I don’t accept it. I acknowledge that it is the case and see its inevitability but I don’t accept it.
I don’t think we can change the way the world works. We didn’t make biological life. Big fish eats little fish. The strong prey on the weak. Prime example: Stalin preying on the Ukrainians and stealing their food. This is the nature of biological life. There’s no escaping it.
Stalin’s giant spoon was just human nature.
Stalin did not ‘steal the Ukrainians food’ and there is no actual historical evidence to back that up. There is evidence of natural famine conditions all across Ukraine, Russia and Kazakhstan through that period, and then never again even during WWII. There is evidence of Stalin and the Central Committee eventually responding to these famine conditions, shipping in scarce food from other areas of Russia, and holding party members who did not properly report their yields accountable. You can lay some level of blame on the Central Committee for trying to use food, their only widely available resource at the time to trade with Western powers for currency in order to buy industrial equipment, but there is no evidence that the famine conditions were intentional and plenty of evidence that the Central Committee, Russian soviets, Kazak SR and Ukrainian SR governments did their best to alleviate the crisis and then make reforms to assure that it wouldn’t happen again, with no evidence of the same response from Western powers with whom were learning about the crisis, who instead gloated about the internal failings of the soviet system.
There is also plenty of documented and letter evidence that Stalin and other Russian and Ukrainian soviet leaders were particularly sensitive to the needs of the rural and urban poor during the revolution and civil war period, with them requesting Lenin (who would usually grant it) that they give the food they were getting from the loosely organized soviets to feed the poor instead of hoarding for their soldiers.
There is plenty to criticize Stalin about, particularly his methods of handling inter-party disputes, but the idea that he ‘stole food’ is ahistorical nonsense.
Your ‘le human nature’ argument is literally a child’s propagandized understanding of history. But whatever, you’ll just say ‘I disagree’ and then fuck off, so idk why I even bother.
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