cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/4249593
Democratic Gov. Jared Polis called the Gadsden flag ‘a proud symbol of the American revolution’ after a a Colorado student was told to remove a patch of the “Don’t Tread on Me” flag from his backpack.
I need this sticker on my shitty pickup.
Seems like whatever admin did this just mistook the permission they were given. Kid had a bunch of patches on his bag, some had firearms, school got direction from the district that they could have those removed, told the family, family removed offending patches, and that should’ve been that. But kid went to school and some busy body saw a patch on his bag and decided that any patch must be offending, so took it too far.
Also, the flag patch was approved, so he can wear it going forward. Unless there some clear pattern with the admin who drove this, seems like whoever manages them just needs to give them a don’t be an ass talk and we can move on.
Lefty here, I don’t have a problem with the flag itself. I have issues with people who fly it the most completely misunderstand what personal freedoms truly means. As someone who is an LGBTQ+ ally, my views are more compatible with personal freedoms than the average idiotic Republican.
We really need more of this flag on a rainbow background.
Agreed. The collective can only be so long as each individual contained within it is equally free. Inequalities of individual liberty within the collective begets a fundamentally oppressive structure.
The Gadsden flag is not opposed to the freedom of the collective; liberty for the individual does not necessitate an oppressive structure, but, instead, the collective can only be free if each individual is equally free.
its so strange how obsessed americans are with flags
Symbols, Americans are obsessed with symbols and what they represent.
But those symbols are usually empty. Why do you think countries with more heritage don’t fervently defend their symbols so much?
In the United States, branding is everything.
Basically.
Let me guess: it’s left up to states and most if not all of them forbid it
No, it’s federally protected political speech under the First Amendment; states can’t make it illegal.
Based on what I’m reading everywhere and the comparison of how much GDP each country makes, it’s because they are too poor to spend money on defense spending to protect themselves.
I think you’re on the wrong thread, cause what you said makes no sense
I noticed this in my travels through the Southwestern US. I’ve never seen so many flags on RVs, offroad vehicles, trailers, homes, trucks, etc.
The Trump ones must have been a big uptick in new business. I suspect it’s displaced sports teams which perhaps the flag companies prefer as there are no trademark royalties?
I’ve always thought the Gadsden Flag was for the more Libertarian types, the types that aren’t fundamentalists pushing anti-LGBTQ+ stuff (but also aren’t allies, and are more on the side of letting anti-LGBTQ people deny services and mistreat them as long as the government isn’t doing it), but tend to vote Republican because… I guess because Democrats seem to be more controlling in government (or at least don’t constantly yell about being small government while infringing on freedoms). I live in Alaska, and I see a lot of that here, the fuck off and let me do my own thing, I don’t care what you label yourself as type.
I wouldn’t call them hateful by any stretch. If anything, just apathetic about other people’s health and safety in favor of their own freedoms. Funny enough, I think they’re closest to original Colonists that lived during the revolution, and soon after those governing them saw how untenable that was as a governmental system.
Wasnt it a regimental flag from more than 200 years ago?
Anyone who had any real connection to the meaning of that flag has been dead for more than a century.
Anyone waving that thing around now is either a reenactor, or a poser cosplaying as a tough guy. At this point, much like the Confederate Navy Jack, it has been co-opted to stand for racism and hatred. Either that or J6 was a big Civil war reenactment with terrible planning. “Guys, guys!!! We’re supposed to be in MANASSAS! No! Stop seiging the Capitol!”
The Gadsden flag is primarily used as a symbol of Libertarianism – it encompasses ideas of personal liberty, and individualism. But you are right – the Gadsden flag made its first appearance in the American Revolutionary War.
Anyone waving that thing around now is either a reenactor, or a poser cosplaying as a tough guy.
A “reenactor”? While, yes, the flag was first used in the continental army, nowadyas, it has moved quite far from simply being used as a historical prop.
At this point, much like the Confederate Navy Jack, it has been co-opted to stand for racism and hatred.
In my opinion, most people that say that the Gadsden flag represents “racism and hatred” most likely take all their information on the symbol from the fearmongering media.
and soon after those governing them saw how untenable that was as a governmental system
Would you mind clarifying what you mean?
Weird crossover
Colorado Progressives want to ban all right-wing imagery but Liberals are defending it because it has historic roots in the founding of the nation. I thought it was an interesting political story.
Progressives want to ban all right-wing imagery
Nonsense.
Have all the right wing imagery you want. It’s a free country. Just don’t expect to be free from criticism and don’t get violent.
Have all the right wing imagery you want.
This is solid blue Colorado, where California Progressives have settled. They are used to getting their way, but Colorado is all about individual rights. So the Progressives out here get mad quite often when the government doesn’t back their extreme views and mission to ban right-wing imagery. Keep in mind those in question are not a large group of people and do not reflect Progressives elsewhere in the nation.
I’m from Colorado, we have never been solid blue. Until quite recently we were reliably purple. Outside of our major metro areas we are still pretty red.
You’re talking out your ass.
I’ve lived in Colorado for 34 years, it’s solid fucking blue.
Outside of our major metro areas we are still pretty red
There are only 500,000 that live outside the metro areas, so yes about 500K Republicans and 5 million Democrats.
A solid blue state wouldn’t elect someone like Boebert MULTIPLE FUCKING TIMES you dumb fuck
Colorado springs is the second largest metro area and even that city is pretty red. You don’t know what you are talking about
… in Colorado Springs private schools? I’m guessing you haven’t spent a second in Colorado Springs.
Colorado Springs isn’t the ultra right-wing haven it used to be. It’s purple and will turn blue in the near future.
Uh excuse me, you were just crying in another thread about how the state is totally solid blue but now it’s purple eh?
The decision of a SINGLE PERSON doesn’t mean SHIT. Fuck off weak ass troll
Then why did they want to remove a patch in a boy’s backpack?
Why do you think overzealous school administrators are progressive?
Because they wanted to ban the gadsen flag
That’s not what progressivism is at all. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism
Progressivism is about organized labor and a willingness to make big policy reforms if they’re evidence-based. Like progressives want universal healthcare instead of the shit sandwich of corporate bureaucracy Americans eat at the hospital. Progressives don’t care about backpack patches in schools. The school policies they care about having a strong teachers union and high quality, universal school lunches.
Oh how out of reality do you have to be to believe actual politicians act like that
Do you think all progressives everywhere wanted to do that? You say a lot of silly things.
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The ones relevant to that boy did
Ok, so what? You’re protesting the idea in another thread that conservatives eventually will want all queer people dead by saying incidents of violence were isolated and here you’re arguing that the actions of a single person can be expanded to all progressives.
Make up your mind.
Where do you find a “dissonance”? If anything it’s you because you’re claiming that few incidents represent around half of th US, while I just said that progressives relevant to the boy wanted to censor him
They were to remove the patches with firearms but there was a clear mixup in relation to adjacent themes like the no step on snek has become.
Not that you’re looking for a real answer or anything, given how you are already aware that the official position is that the no step on snek symbology is expressly allowed yet ask why the patche were removed. I can’t even tell if you read the actual fucking article.
Why are you playing dumb?
Well, I was answering the post, not the article
In recent years, the flag has become the symbol of the American Tea Party political movement and has also been adopted by far-right extremists.
In 2014, a Las Vegas couple who espoused anti-government, pro-gun beliefs killed two police officers at a pizza restaurant and draped over one of their bodies a swastika and a Gadsden flag.
I guess we should ban the American flag too because the 1/6 folk waved it while taking the capitol
The sad part is you think you’re making some profound point, but you’re not.
If I’m not, explain why it’s not as valid as the “capitol guys used no step on snek flags, it must be banned”
Shh, they don’t want to be the bad guys.
No we don’t lol. The DToM flag is fine, altho admittedly right wingers and libertarians fly it without understanding it at all.
The only flags that should be banned are those of enemy powers and traitors that the right wing loves to fly, such as the Nazi flag and the Confederate flag. Those two literally serve no purpose being flown in modern America because 1 was the flag of genocide and the other the flag of traitors and slavery.
libertarians fly it without understanding it at all.
What? The Gadsden flag is, in effect, a symbol of Libertarianism.
The only flags that should be banned are those of enemy powers and traitors that the right wing loves to fly, such as the Nazi flag and the Confederate flag. Those two literally serve no purpose being flown in modern America because 1 was the flag of genocide and the other the flag of traitors and slavery.
Ignoring the fact that the 1st Ammendment would prohibit any such legislation from ever being passed, why ban hateful symbols? If the symbols are truly terrible, then the court of public opinion will handle it – the solution to bad speech is better speech.
Banning the flags of enemy powers? Wouldn’t that include the USSR?
Yea that would, and I’d be fine with that.
I’m not a ussr simp.
Based
The story is about Progressives banning Right-Wing imagery they believe promotes gun violence.
What evidence do you have that they are progressive beyond the fact that you don’t like them?
Read the article.
I’m pretty sure you didn’t, not intelligently anyway
Except “progressive” doesn’t appear anywhere in the article…
Maybe you should read the article you’re telling others to read before you say that… maybe this part of the article kinda would explain why the Gadsden flag has a bad rap today
In recent years, the flag has become the symbol of the American Tea Party political movement and has also been adopted by far-right extremists.
In 2014, a Las Vegas couple who espoused anti-government, pro-gun beliefs killed two police officers at a pizza restaurant and draped over one of their bodies a swastika and a Gadsden flag.
You keep saying “progressive” like overzealous school administrators are progressive. How do you know their politics? Maybe they’re undecided voters who are sick of this one kid’s shit.
I watched the video with the kid, his mom, and the administrator. I’ll totally defend the boys right to wear the patch, but he really looked like an annoying little twat.
However, even more annoying was the incompetent admin from that video.
Liberals are defending it because it has historic roots in the founding of the nation
The Gadsden Flag is a much more powerful symbol than simply a historic prop. It encompasses ideas of personal liberty, and individualism. It is essentially a symbol of Libertarianism.
