• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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    1 year ago

    Seems like you’re omitting something pretty important there, but I’ve stopped expecting any sort of intellectual honesty a long time ago.

    • ֆᎮ⊰◜◟⋎◞◝⊱ֆᎮ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      1 year ago

      What am I omitting?

      Talking about intellectual honesty coming from you is hilarious.

      In one side you preach about the propeganda of western media and then use said media as proof… Laughable indeed.

      He’s kept a lot or working on aot.of his promises.

      https://www.slovoidilo.ua/amp/2021/03/29/stattja/polityka/rytoryka-zelenskoho-vstupu-post-prezydenta-zaraz-cymy-obicyankamy

      https://voxukraine.org/richnitsya-prezidentstva-zelenskogo-otsinka-voxcheck/

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        1 year ago

        You know what you’re omitting and the fact that you can’t even bring yourself to say it really says all we need to know. I love how your whole trolling strategy is rooted in people in the west being ignorant on the subject.

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            1 year ago

            I’m not doing any grandstanding. You know perfectly well that implementing Minsk was a huge part of his platform, and if he actually did it then there likely wouldn’t have been a war. The fact that you won’t acknowledge this says volumes. It’s incredible to see people like you pretending that the war couldn’t have been averted. Now thousands of people have died, millions had their lives ruined, but you don’t care about any of that because it’s not your ass on the front lines.

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              1 year ago

              1st. he didn’t really campaign on any promise to follow the Minsk Agreement, and he’s outright stated that. He literally campaign to reduce corruption, remove russian corruptive influences, get closer to the EU and to stop the war. Only vatniks like you keep saying this over and over again, removing any agency the Ukrainian people have.

              2nd. There was only 1 aggressor here… the war started and ends with Russia.

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                Except nobody is removing any agency from the Ukrainian people here. You’re just stating a lie to create a false narrative that all of Ukraine was united behind your nationalist movement. Nobody is debating who the aggressor here is either. That’s another rhetorical trick you like to use to distract from the actual point being made which is that the war could have been avoided.

                One thing we can agree on is that the war will indeed end when Russia decides and it will end on Russian terms because NATO is now very clearly tapped out in its support for Ukraine. The NATO summit made it very clear that Ukraine isn’t going to be part of NATO any time soon, and that there won’t be any better guarantees than the ones Ukraine is getting now. As Petr Pavel openly said, Ukraine’s got six months left.

                You can keep calling me names all you like, but sooner or later you’re going to have to start engaging with reality that the west used Ukraine to try and weaken Russia, and now that it’s no longer able to do that the west will discard Ukraine like a used condom. This is the fate of every western proxy to date, and if you think the fate of Ukraine is going to be any different what else is there to say to you.

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                  1 year ago

                  75% is a pretty staggering majority I’d say.

                  Dude you keep saying the same shit. No kidding that the US is using Ukraine, currently. I wish the US wasn’t involved at all but here we are. Caught between an arms dealer and a madman.

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                    So, on some level you do understand that you’re getting used, and yet you still have some delusions that Ukraine will benefit from aligning with the west in the end. Amazing stuff there.

                    Meanwhile, that 75% of yours isn’t exactly evenly distributed is it. Let’s just look at the election in 2004 went:

                    this is the 2010 election:

                    As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:

                    source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

                    If Ukraine was united the way you pretend it is, then there wouldn’t have been any civil war after maidan in the first place for Russia to exploit.