From all the concern trolling I see in the other instances it’s clear that there’s no winning over these people. Everything is “Kremlin propaganda” to them. I do think a lot of chapos did go a little overboard with the PPB, but even thoughtful responses were met with the “hateful rhetoric” and “Kremlin talking points” BS. As always, it is to the Global South we must look to for any hope in the future…
Please do not draw conclusions from how people post on a niche internet forum.
True, though it’s arguably worse in the general population. Western indoctrination runs deeeeep.
Idk may just be my personal experience but I’ve never heard anyone irl say anything close to as weird about geopolitical stuff or communism as I’ve seen from liberals since federation. Closest is my dad saying once that he agreed with Patton that the western allies should have “kept going” (like the opposite of our “Stalin shouldnt have stopped at Berlin” thing) but that was a one time thing.
Maybe its because I haven’t really bothered to say things that challenge liberal perspectives about geopolitics I guess? But it says something that they certainly haven’t volunteered that kind of weird shit.
That said I haven’t had much human contact since I lost my old job so maybe my experience is limited.
I’ve tried to talk to libs about China because I’m Chinese so maybe that’s why I have a different perspective.
Its like everyone around you refusing to believe that the sky is blue because BBC told them that the sky is green. After a while you start to question even yourself.
Trying to convince white libs that insert Bad non white country isn’t cartoonishly evil and out to get them personally as a poc is like banging your head against a wall
They see us as blinded by loyalty and discard our feelings because only us dirty coloreds can be influenced by propaganda
Someone here on Hexbear said something like liberals don’t believe in other countries as existing geopolitical entities with diverse populations and economies. They think of places like Russia and China as mischievous polytheistic gods with distinct character flaws and demonic powers to influence people’s minds. They think of Putin as some malignant devil in the clouds watching all discussion about him.
Xi Jinping will polymorph into a swan and seduce your wife though.
Here, show libs videos from this channel: https://vid.puffyan.us/channel/UCzDE2LGSmJnw53WrZ7mM_Aw (Living in China).
They’re much more likely to be receptive to Westerners who actually live in China, rather than native Chinese (racism, unfortunately, runs deep) on the grounds that 1.4 billion people are somehow spies and unanimously a monolith pulling the greatest conspiratorial ruse in world history whose level of planning and labor to pull it off reaches heights far beyond anything the liberals themselves could possibly conceive.
A couple funny/good videos I like (since you mentioned BBC) are these two here: Western Media’s Baseless Xinjiang Claims 外媒的涉疆谎言 Xinjiang Cotton 🇨🇳 Unseen China, and The BBC has EXPOSED my CCP Funding…🇨🇳 BBC曝光我们被北京资助？Unseen China
There’s so many videos of tangible, visual examples of Chinese infrastructure, and some compared to the US. These videos, more often than not, will shatter these people’s worldview and flip it over in real-time, softening their shields and making them more receptive to what you have to say.
I encourage you to dig deep through the channel’s history, as there’s almost always a video I can find that’s relevant to whatever topic(s) the conversation has engaged with. Best of luck in the field.
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Back when the SMO started in early 2022, I was hanging out with some ppl IRL and one of them just blatantly said “they should just take him [Putin] out” (as in assassinate him). And this was at a milquetoast event where geopolitics wasn’t even the reason we were there (it was a trivia night). So yeah even irl normies have some pretty warped views. Another guy I know just blatantly repeated the “China is buying up all the farmland in the US” nonsense…
I just had a conversation about the wave of true crime media with my coworkers. They were visibility uncomfortable when I pointed out it just how wild it is the cops are so bad at their jobs an entire media empire spawned from it. One guy couldn’t bring himself to speak and we had to change the subject.
ooo I wanna hear more about this.
It was sad really. They were talking about the one dhalmer victim that the cops gave back to him. They were trying to work out how the cops didn’t realize it. What details caused them to overlook the situation. I told them the cops knew. They knew and didn’t care. It was poor black gay kids mostly. Half of them they had already arrested for the crime of going to a gay bar, the other half had been arrested for the usual racism. I pointed out how these cops would have been trained by working under the apartide rules of Jim Crow. So after they gave the crying bleeding child back to the man that openly stated he was having sex with him, they laughed and placed bets on if they would ever see the kid again as they drove back to the station so they could clock out and beat their wives. Obviously that is the only interpretation that fits the data. One of my coworkers glitched out. He got quiet and started doing the, “no, but see… if they…” routine for a minute before we changed the subject and he just sat quietly. I am the most cis het white guy at work so when I talk shit on the cops really people really have a hard time pushing back. They want to, I work in a middle class environment so they want to.
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I do feel bad for giving him such a hard time. I am sure he was just trying to vibe and get through the shift you know
You’re doing the lord’s work comrade
People generally try to avoid political topics in conversations. Especially around people who aren’t very close. It took me around 6 months of knowing some people to discover one guy was a BJP supporter, one guy supports the Nazis over the Soviets, one guy thinks Putin invaded because he has cancer, one guy thinks Chinese people can’t access VPNs or they’ll be taken away, one guy discovered the truth about Ukrainian Nazis, how Soviet backed Afghanistan was much better, yet still supported American interventionism because he works in America so it’s good for him, etc.
I could literally keep typing for paragraphs and paragraphs but yea