• AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world
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      Nobody panic!

      The only people that matter, who also happen to be the ones that caused and continue to exacerbate the climate apocalypse knowingly for private profit, have built luxury bunker complexes in temperate places like New Zealand to shield themselves from the consequences of their own actions.

      No one important is in danger, just us billions of disposable capital batteries, no biggie.

      Now get back to work! The owners/Pharoahs/oligarchs/beloved job creators have quarterly ego score expectations to exploit out of you before you die of heat stroke as a result of your bad decisions, like being poor!

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        In 1988 my uncle was working as a chemist for the oil industry in Oman. When he was home he’d tell us about global warming from carbon dioxide from burning oil

        In the industry they knew. In politics they knew. But it made a lot of money and they’d be dead before New York would be flooded

        I wish aging had been solved back then, so those people would know they’d live to see the impending disaster

        RIP Great Barrier Reef this coming southern summer

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          New York won’t get flooded for another 100-200 years… we may still need to solve the aging problem if we want to avoid that.

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        New Zealand won’t be exempt from climate change and they have to come out of their bunkers at some point. I always ask myself what good their money will be when global trade collapses. How long until their security guards realize that they hold the real power?

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          Security guards have families, families can be held hostage safely in the bunker while the guards battle the hungry hordes outside.

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            So, pretty much like every other Western country. I’m in Germany, and conservative thinking and an openly fascist party are on the rise, while everything is blamed on the Greens in the government.

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          This is literally idealism.

          You have an idea about a market solution to the problem, and then act like you’ve solved the problem.

          The problem isn’t a lack of ideas! The problem is a lack of implementation! You have to get these ideas into the real world somehow, and revolution is the only way you can do that. There are billionaires aligned against implementing these ideas. You have to stop them.

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            Revolution is also more than eating the rich. Its also setting a framework for the future through non-violent action. Organizing and interacting both with local communities and national and international concerns.

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              When the rich send men with guns to break up your non-violent organizations and communities, you aren’t going to debate them into submission.

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              So we all burn while you try to change the system instead of focusing on the problem at hand. Great and thanks.

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                Did I say that was the only thing?

                Because if you ignore this now to burn down the rich, you’ll be burning later anyways.

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            Its over man, I just look at those sad little true believers as pathetic comic relief.

            They’d be the ones in the town squares pre-revolution scolding passers by for not blindly following the wisdom of their oppressive monarchs.

            “Stay the course! So I can feel like I’m safe and that everything is working as it’s supposed to!”

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              They’re the peasants that revolt against their local lord while still being loyal to the king, because surely the problem is just that the king has bad advisors and the local lord is corrupt!

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                They’re the voters stupid enough to vote against their interests, and there’s no shortage of them. Serfs gonna serf.

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            Which country is the model to emulate? Which country has had the successful revolution?

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              Many countries have successfully overthrown previous governments and implemented new ones. It depends what you mean by ‘successful’.

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                It depends what you mean by ‘successful’.

                I’m asking which ones did it by their definition of successful. Which country should we emulate?

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                  There will be people who thought it was successful, and people who thought it was unsuccessful, in every revolution. You’d need to clarify who ‘they’ are.

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                    I asked a specific person, @queermunist, which country we should emulate. @queermunist, which country should we emulate?

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                  And as for me, I’m not sure there’s anything we can do about this, even with a revolution - at least with such a small number of us that actually care. If the majority actually wanted to change from the status quo, maybe then a revolution could work.

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              Well, I mean, historically, the USA had a very successful revolution in that they have become the greatest world power nowadays…

              Even if they are a capitalist crazed two party nation, where a majority struggle to survive and they have to pay for the basic human right of healthcare, all in the name of some “free market” to help the rich get richer at their own expense.

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                So, you are saying we should emulate the United States? Are you following this conversation?

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                  That’s not what I said. I gave an example of a “successful” revolution.

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                    In the conversation on which successful country to emulate. I think the point is that one doesn’t exist that’s been successful. It’s a societal filter.

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            It’s not idealism. If you have a better solution that is not radical by design, go ahead. I was literally not specific intentionally. Go ahead, what instrument within the current system would work that are not regulations?

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              Regulations don’t work when they don’t get implemented, which means your ideas are purely ideas and not materialistic solutions. There aren’t going to be any regulations, don’t you get it? That ship has so obviously sailed.

              There isn’t a better solution that’s not radical and that’s why radical solutions all that’s left!

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                We’ll, changes won’t work on your system if they don’t get implemented either. If your system is a catch-all for forcing through unpopular changes, don’t expect to see much success. We have implemented comprehensive environmental changes in the past but it takes time and ground work.

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            Those are some great definitions but that doesn’t change the fact that literally anyone can find someone that disagrees with these positions. Forcing them on people will not get the reaction you want. That right there throws out any thought of regulatory capture being the sole thing at play. It can hardly be considered a plutocracy when a good portion of the populous agrees with it.

            Even if that is the complete reality, very few people agree with you and antidemocratic actions will result in a massive backlash.

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              People agree with Hitler, doesn’t make them right, or worth listening to, nor does it make them willing to compromise, some people need to be forced to relinquish their incorrect and harmful opinions through violence and death.

              You’re relying on the wilfully ignorant and belligerent to go against their nature, and that’s a level of stupidity so divorced from reality that you’re effectively no different than them.

              You’ll sit here and argue that you’re right till you’re blue in the face but you’ll still never change anything.

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                Well, I’m sure your unpopular revolution will force through all the changes our society needs. Just like they did in Germany in the 1930s.

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                  Appeasement doesn’t work, that’s why we killed the Nazi’s instead of waiting for them to agree with us.

                  You’re the global warming equivalent of a Nazi apologist, so it’s a bit rich when you refer to me as the one pushing a harmful agenda for caring about the survival of the human race above and beyond the ignorance of individuals.

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                    Yep, that’s how they got elected. You’re doing a great job describing exactly how they came to power. I’m not an apologist, you are an enabler.

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          I hate to break this to you, but these have to go hand in hand.

          Government, and the individuals who make up the government, are balancing a lot of competing demands.

          Until one of those demands may include the loss of use of their property, at the very least, then they will always be more incentived to overvalue the perspective of the rich. And the rich will literally say, yeah, it’s bad, but we can slap a bandaid on it - 20% or the cost for 40% of the solution, that should get us by!

          Some other overwhelming force will eventually be necessary to change the calculus of what an “acceptable solution” looks like. Because with your market regulation, you will always have people willing to pay the fine instead of following the rules, and if they are allowed to continue externalizing those costs to the rest of us, we will continue to have less room to request less benefit, and we will have to take what they decide to give us. Which I can almost guarantee will be pennies compared to what it costs us in the meantime.

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      The hottest 36 days on record. Also the coolest summer we can expect to see for the rest of our lives.

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        People generally don’t realize this, but it’ll become apparent soon enough!

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        Oh, if I were an alien looking down at us little billions of ants destroying their own habitat to construct tributes to a few thousand fat ants, to the point all the ants were about to die off, I’d be tilting my head and laughing my alien ass off.

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          I’d be really sad, because I have empathy. Of course, maybe you’d be a psychopathic alien who laughs at injustice and pain.