You responded to people having positive opinions about Che Guevara with some “we need less authoritarianism, not more” style comments.
But what was Cuba to do with the US right next door? How would they be able to defend their revolution by immediately dissolving the state? Is the situation currently in Cuba ideal, and was it ideal in the past? Of course not, but they made certain decisions for a reason. Usually a protectionist one that was a product of its time. Look at how many times the CIA tried to kill Castro for example. How can the state instantly be dismantled when under such a siege?
Even then it’s can easily be argued that your average Cuban experiences less “authoritarianism” post revolution, even with all the struggles in the country.
All I know is that Cuba, even when under seige, helped my country, South Africa, to fight apartheid, by sending their army to fight in the border wars. No one else did such. They may be a state at the end of the day, with the downsides all states have, but what they have achieved must be acknowledged and respected. A greater life expectancy than the US. Fighting injustice. An inclusive family code, making up for mistakes of the past.
From its earliest days, the Cuban Revolution has also been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of the vicious imperialist-orchestrated campaign to destroy the impressive gain made in the Cuban Revolution
- Nelson Mandela
i love hexbear. libs posing as anarchists come running in yelling “tankie!” and the cool anarchists tell them to fuck off and touch grass.
Left-unity means touching grass. Only liberals and boomer idealists who have never succeeded in anything give a fuck about the importance of sectarianism.
there’s a history of anarchists proudly failing and dying because of sectarianism. because authoritarianism and hierarchies are always bad to the sectarians. good luck not using hierarchies on a battlefield of any kind against an even semi modern army. OP is probably 18 years old and doesnt want to listen to his mom.
There’s a strong objective trend of every single ideology failing to gain ground because of sectarianism. Even Lenin in what is to be done advocated against pluralism amongst comrades but in the writing advocated working w every bloc that had an interest against the tsar.
And particularly if the conditions within ur country are not imminently revolutionary there is absolutely no use for sectarianism as a principle that isn’t in practice just telling people to fuck off for being actively detrimental.
Yeah I’m an anarchist, yeah all my opinions align perfectly with the US State Department. Problem tankies??
I read the title assuming OP must mean that the images featured in the Dunk Tank, the stuff we put there to point and laugh at, was too much for OP to handle. And I could relate. Sometimes my blood is already boiled enough and I can’t take reading any more.
But no. It turns out that OP is upset and malding because of the people here commenting on the threads in the Dunk Tank. :picard:
Sorry we only like real anarchists here. Not the site for you.
define “real anarchist”.
:PIGPOOPBALLS: i’m new to hexbear, am i doing it right?
:congratulations: good job!
someone that isnt a too-often-online sectarian among the left.
sectarianism is only something that a tankie cares about when we won’t bend the knee.
tankie
Do you know the historical origins of the term, tankie, perchance?
Stalinists.
It specifically was a slander against Khruschev for putting down a “revolution” in Hungary. That revolution was a CIA-backed “color revolution.” where fascists were doing pogroms against Jews and Communists.
sectarianism is only something that a tankie cares about when we won’t bend the knee.
God yes I love the drama of you reddit liberals, so greasy thick like machine lube. Ominous period at the end and everything:farquaad-point:
good point, i guess that’s why historically anarchists get crushed after the revolution.
yes, which is why anyone calling for “left unity” makes us suspicious.
all authoritarianism is bad, all hierarchies are bad. not sure how you plan to get anything accomplished being nice to capitalists but good luck! no hierarchies going to get you crushed by a semi modern army. so many anarchists want to skip the work and get right to utopia.
why are you insulting anarchism in the anarchy forum?
You’re probably looking for raddle.me; this is a left unity site, so you gotta be friendly with the commies. Raddle is strictly anarchist, though not strictly left-anarchist as far as I can tell.
lol look at the fucking Makhnovists. You’ll beat Stalin one day! Just keep at writing your shitty posts from exile and alienating the more useful leftists around you. Just one more article and you might see victory!
My view of Makhnov got much more complicated once I looked into the facts.
For example forcing people with weapons to fight in an army was something he organized. Is that anarchist? If the army is needed in a fight against white or Nazi terror it sure is legitimate and that was one of the reasons MLs did it in the early years of the Soviet Union, too.
There’s a story I always talk about that I think is the perfect encapsulation of his being a loser:
In June 1926, during a meal with Alexander Berkman and May Picqueray in a Russian restaurant, Makhno met with the Ukrainian Jewish anarchist Sholem Schwarzbard, who went pale upon seeing the [fascist] Ukrainian nationalist leader Symon Petliura walk into the room. Schwarzbard immediately informed the Batko of his intentions to assassinate Petliura, in revenge for the pogroms carried out in the Ukrainian People’s Republic, during which some of his family members had been killed. Makhno attempted to dissuade him but the deed was carried out anyway, with Schwarzbard’s subsequent trial bringing to light a trove of documentary evidence on the pogroms in Ukraine, exonerating the assassin.
he was kinda cool in some ways but when things got tough his project too quickly resorted to some level of chaotic vanguardism and violence to pull through and manage stuff. Scale that up to the complexity and issues the USSR project had to deal with and you can quikly see he was far from a “better alternative than the bolsheviks that they crushed”
You don’t seem to be responding to any comments. Why is that?
comment threads are hierarchical, that’s why maybe?
he went back to raddle
what is your problem with raddle?
Not allowed to post :PIGPOOPBALLS: on raddle. And this guy has the gall to call us authoritarian. You wouldn’t know freedom if it showed up in your :post-hog:
here at HexBear, we think people who use the word tankie are morons. also why are 95% of new posts in that 196 section? looks fuckin awful.
196 is one of our most popular forums
If the stuff about you being an :epstein: type is true, you must love having all those highschool kids on your site.
That’s pretty nice, they seem like a good fit for your website. As you can tell by the responses here, I don’t think many hexbear users will be joining raddle. Just too different in culture and all that. But I think you’ll be glad to hear that though, haha.
Wish you well in your endeavours over there.
Raddle has existed for years. You should remember that the authoritarians who founded Hexbear could have made a forum on our site, but they decided to chase power instead.
“its authoritarian to do things that don’t have anything to do with me”
Imagine being this far up your own ass
authoritarians who founded Hexbear
:rat-salute-2:
“you could have been on my site where im in charge but nooooo you didnt. you authoritarian!”
that about right? wouldnt making HexBear be the most anarchist thing to do?
extra thought, i assume you have full control of the website, making you the…authoritarian?
do you happen to run the heavens gate website too
I don’t owe anyone a reply. I’m not coming back here for a while, and I hope other anarchists join me on leaving this site to go to raddle.me.
When someone changes a question from why they “should” to why they “can”, they concede the former point.
I want to post on both :)
You mean the site that saw a bunch of traffic from the initial CTH migration, only to have you ban all but ten other posters (possibly your alts)?
Reaching out to invite people you’ll just boot in a few weeks anyway is indistinguishable from intentional wrecking. Take a minute to think it over.
:countdown:
I’m not coming back here for a while
/proceeds to make 15 more comments.
I’m totally not mad, guys, but
I CAN’T QUIT YOU
bruh is posting here more than his own site today
This thread alone has had more activity than raddle has seen in months
this entire site is a literal hellhole. raddle is a much better website for anarchists & very active.
If you mean it’s a much better echo chamber for anarcho-bidenists, then yes, it is. There are lots of open and happy anarchists here because this site actually cares about left unity and will ban sectarianism. Raddle is anti-left unity and bans anyone who hints at being of a tendency the creator doesn’t like. As for being “very active” :che-laugh: that place has been a ghost town for years. As opposed to hexbear that’s had consistently high engagement since it started.
