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    1 year ago

    Weirdly enough, the police is well educated over here. So they can’t even claim ignorance.

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        Pedophilia is a mental condition, much like homosexuality. They don’t choose to be one, they know it’s wrong. I bet there are plenty of closeted pedos (i.e. don’t act on their urges and trying to lead normal lives). The only difference is that homosexuality occurs between consenting adults, and doesn’t hurt anyone except for the sensibilities of some righteous pious {profanity}, while pedos hurt innocent children, which is fucked up.

        tl;dr some pedos are (very) bad for acting on their sexual preferences, they aren’t bad for having them. Taking this conclusion a bit further - making child porn is obviously abhorrent and one of the most heinous crimes I can imagine along with rape and murder, but watching these movies once they are made without profiting the perpetrators, isn’t so morally depraved. Especially if it keeps the urge to rape a child at bay.

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          Modern psychology says they shouldn’t be consuming those videos, it mentally normalizes to t. They need total abstinence, possibly removal from any source of any temptation, and if need be chemical or physical suppression of their desires.

          Additionally homosexuality is a normal variant on human attraction, the full equal to heterosexuality not just culturally but in the eyes of psychology. Pedophilia is now understood to be a deviation in psychosexual development.

          Additionally spreading csam in right wing extremist communities isn’t necessarily an expression of desire but at times is done to trauma bond members

          And finally the feelings of the victims must be considered. It cannot be safely or reasonably assumed that any significant portion of people would be comfortable with people passing around and masturbating to their childhood sexual exploitation.

          There is no safe or healthy outlet for those desires.

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            It was not long ago that homosexuality was also categorized as deviation in psycho-sexual development. The American Psychiatric Association listed homosexuality in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) in 1952. In 1968, DSM-II also listed homosexuality as a mental disorder. Not until 1987 did homosexuality completely fall out of the DSM. Pedophilia is in the DSM just, as opposed to Homosexuality, because it could possibly cause harm to others - that’s the sole distinction.

            There were no big studies regarding the effects of consuming child porn, but the little there is seems to suggest it does not exacerbate the condition, or lead to higher probability of a physical offense: https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-244X-9-43

            Moreover, child pornography seems to be a protective factor, according to Diamond, Jozifkova and Weis (2010). They examined the number of sexual offenses that took place in Czechoslovakia from the 70’s till the end of 2007. At the end of 1989 the velvet revolution took place; the Czech Republic became a democracy and the prohibition of pornography was lifted. During the next 17 years child pornography was accepted. Initially one would expect that the number of sexually abused children would increase, but Diamond and his colleagues concluded the opposite. During the same 17 years, they found a decrease in the number of cases of sexual abused children. Also in Japan and Denmark child sexual abuse decreased in the period when child pornography was not prohibited.

            In fact, there’s a suggested investigation for treatment utilizing virtual child porn.

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      The difference to the US is that these 3 guys got found out, and will most likely go to jail.

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        True. But at least the Nazi leanings are depressingly common in the German police. And they do get away with a lot of if shit, even if it’s not anywhere near as bad as in the US.

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      The police officers committed these acts while they were still in training as part of their dual bachelor’s degree.

      Yet this is better than the alternative, it’s easier to get rid of them at the earlier stage.

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      Claim ignorance? How? “I didn’t learn in school that neo-nazism and abusing children is frowned upon in society” ?

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      Ok, you know different cops “over here”. In Hannover they’re mostly on the simple side, more spoons in the knife drawer, candles in a lamp shop. No boookz, more harassing homeless folks or kicking teenagers. Educa-what? All in all - despicable group of people. That’s not an opinion, that’s an observation over decades btw. So - it fits and doesn’t surprise at all.