Why are some people here on fuckcars still debating on what the best car is ? I mean, most of the time the best car is no car.
edit : that was a genuine question. I wasn’t expecting such wrath from car enthusiasts.
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You can like cars and also acknowledge that their over-use is detrimental to having a healthy and happy society. I would consider myself a car enthusiast, and I even work in the auto-industry but I can see the issues as well.
Additionally, even though I like cars I also like commuting by bike and have always felt bitter that I can’t do it safely.
There are lots of reasons car enthusiasts want change too. We’re allies more than you realize
You’re just trying to convice yourself that what you do is fine. just like a tobacco addict saying he/she’s not addicted, still has freewill, can quit any time, just smoke socially, is not a victim of the tobacco industry… same fallacious logic. You do you bro, but be honest with yourself.
Okay what exactly do you wan’t him to do? Thats what I want to know. I mean he is doing quite good in seeing the issues and he also wants some change. Probably not as much as some of us, thats hard to say because I dont know him. So as long as people are not against that change we can first treat them maybe as allies?
You seem to see the world in black and white. And I think that is hurting you somewhat. I was the same a few years earlier but I realized that the world is way to complex to make it that easy.
bro you don’t know me hahaha
Just because I am able to live without one currently. It does not mean that everyone is able. I am not saying fuck all cars, just that we need to get them off our planet pretty soon for the benefit of all people. So currently for me Fuck Cars is just Fuck all Cars that are useless and not needed! Some people need cars and probably don’t like it too! For me personally this communtiy is to rant about cars and why they suck for us all. Giving ideas for better world without cars and showing people that love cars that there are good reasons to hate them too.
I understand what you see, seems bad for you but thats currently how the world is. A bit fucked up. But we all try to change it to a better place and I think that is great and why I love communities like this one (:
I wanted to drop in and say thank you for being respectful and making a genuine attempt at communicating your ideas, is baffling to me how vile people are being to a basic question of the movement.
99% of cars are not needed. Everyone should be able to go on with their life without it. Every car dependent situation could not be. Instead of saying cars are ok because I need one right now" that is fallacious, we should be asking “how can we change things so we don’t need it anymore ?”. Fuck all cars
You are based and right. If someone needs a car, which might be, the focus should be on changing their situation as fast as possible so they don’t need it.
I see very few valid exceptions - transporting infirm, people with disabilities etc. In most of those cases, there should still be a focus on how to minimize or substitute car use as much as possible
The amount of arrogant ignorance you have is hilarious. Have you ever been to the US, outside of a major city? You understand how large and disparate most of the US is right? You could fit 40 UKs in to the US. Should the mountains just be filled with busses going to every small town on tiny ass roads? What if there is no bus or train to where I’m going? Just horse and buggy it to “save the planet” or “stick it to capitalism”? Do you realize how many people LOVE cars? Go try and fix things so you can potentially do SOMETHING, not just sit here arrogantly shouting your narrowminded views. You need to have your opinions challenged in the real world, otherwise your fantastical arguments hold no water. You’re not seeing from others perspectives, just naively trying to force your limited understanding of the world on to others.
Wait, this isn’t a community for people who are sexually attracted to personal conveyance machines‽
This is a problem with the Lemmy community at the moment. There are so few posts that people can happily consume the firehose, and they end up exposed to and butting into conversations where they’re really not welcome a lot more often.
you’re actually the only one answering the question hahaha, thanks, that makes sens !
They’re so fragile. It’s hard work living in that much denial and they don’t want us disturbing their delicate emotions.
Yeah, Apparently.
All I read is “I feel attacked, stop tellimg me I can change, It’s the government fault if I drive a massive SUV everywhere, [sobbing], I’m not gonna change shit though, [sobbing] I’m a victim” or “I don’t like cars but I mean …”.
Just bloody whinings.
Carnists and the religiously motorized have so much in common.
I like guns and tanks and planes for the same reason I like cars. But that doesn’t mean I want war. Just because I like cars doesn’t mean I want to drive everywhere.
Some people like to argue. I will admit that I have no issues with cars and come here for the entertainment. Some people make valid points that I can consider, some people live in lah lah land with batshit insane unrealistic expectations for western society. “We should make roads safer for those who have no car” is a fair and reasonable position. “The entire planet should abolish cars and every rural area ever should have public transportation so we can have a cyclist wet dream” is tone deaf lunacy.
If you don’t wana hear people saying “Fuck cars” then just don’t come to a place called “FuckCars”, no one’s forcing you … weird …
Hi! I see you wrote “tone deaf lunacy” where you meant to write, “blatant strawman intended to distract myself from my moral responsibilities to other human beings and sentient creatures.” Don’t feel bad, when you hang around a bit, you start to realize this is a really, really common mistake people make.
See, this is a classic example of that tone deaf nonsense.
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That’s why I always appreciated /r/lowcar on Reddit
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And that should not be acceptable. Every one should be able to commute by public transport. A car dependent situation is not immutable and should not be treated as such. You’r looking at the problems the wrong way. instead of asking what the best car is for a specific reality, we should be asking ourselves how to change that reality sot it’s not car dependent anymore.
Why not both? No one is going to put their lives on hold until public transit becomes available. Until that happens, you choose the least harmful option.
As for having public transit available for everyone, how would that work in very sparsely populated areas? Wouldn’t you just be wasting a ton of resources driving around a vehicle with no one in it?
I agree with the first statement. The answer for the least harfull option is easy though : if you currently are dependent on cars (a lot of people think they are but really aren’t, they are just lazy), get the smallest, most reliable second hand car you can find. Buying any thing new is just feedind the capitalist beast that the car industry is. If you choose to live in such a remote place that any form of public transportation would be “wasting a ton of resources driving around a vehicle with no one in it” then you are on you own.
What about people who live in such areas because there are jobs there that need doing?
If you are somewhere for work then you’re probably not on your own and your employer could offer some form of common transportation so you don’t rely on your own car (and foundings) to get your task done.
Ok, for one example, what would a park ranger do? (Not just USA rangers, this is a global job role.)
You will aways find exceptions (like emergency and medical sercices, transporting people who cannot walk or bike, transporting goods …) that’s why I said “most of the time”. A park ranger (edit : I meant " could use") use a car for her/his duties and go back home to her/his personal business with public transport. Most situations could be handled without a car, and the few left could be handled with much smaller vehicles (and should be looked at to minimize the use of car to a maximum. I’m sure a ranger could do some of her/his job riding a dirtbike)
Because you can support the idea that cars are bad for society as a whole, and still live within a society that depends on cars. People may want to discuss the car that is the least harmful to civilization while still enabling them to get to and from work.
the least harmfull car is public transport. we should be discussing how to make this accessible instead.
These comments are horrible! Buncha assholes in this thread honestly, sorry OP. Its too bad people dunno how to make a point without calling you names or some rude shit. I’m thinking I’m blocking this community since mods seem OK with dat
“Hey guys, I have a small car so, I’m okay, right? Please validate.”
Personally, I’d rather not read apologetics like this. Fuck all cars.
Do you want a working fire alarm system in your building? Yes? Then leave my vehicle out of this.
other people can take the bus though.
It’s pretty bad in the other vegan comm, too.
