Update:
The comments from this post will not be removed as to preserve the discussion around the announcement. Any continued discussions outside of this thread that violate server rules will be removed. We feel that everyone that has an opinion, and wanted to vent, has been heard.
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Original post:
Yesterday, we received information about the planned federation by Hexbear. The announcement thread can be found here: https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770. After reviewing the thread and the comments, it became evident that allowing Hexbear to federate would violate our rules.
Our code of conduct and server rules can be found here.
The announcement included several concerning statements, as highlighted below:
- “Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated.”
- “The West’s role in the world, through organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank - among many others - are deeply harmful to the billions of people living both inside and outside of their imperial core.”
- “These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term “rules-based international order.” It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.”
The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to “dismantle western propaganda” and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology.
In addition, several comments from a Hexbear admin, demonstrate that instance rules will not be respected.
Here are some examples:
“I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.”
“All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.”
- https://lemmy.world/comment/121850
- https://lemmy.world/comment/1487168
- https://lemmy.world/comment/1476084
- https://lemmy.world/comment/171595
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3648500
Overall community comments:
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526128
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526086
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3652828
To clarify, for those who have inquired about why Hexbear versus Lemmygrad, it should be noted that we are currently exploring the possibility of defederating from Lemmygrad as well based on similar comments Hexbear has made.
- https://lemmygrad.ml/post/158656
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/882559
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/540170
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/446529
Defederation should only be considered as a last resort. However, based on their comments and behavior, no positive outcomes can be expected.
We made the decision to preemptively defederate from Hexbear for these reasons. While we understand that not everyone may agree with our decision, we believe it is important to prioritize the best interests of our community.
Ah yes, ignore the point and try to argue something irrelevant.
Communism is a shitshow and has been every time someone tried to implement it. The Soviets literally littered Afghanistan with “toy bombs” in order to mame children in order to try and clog up medical camps and prevent people from fighting them. So yeah, we can stand on the high ground here because we didn’t do that shit.
Capitalism sucks, but it has an objectively better track record on human rights, human development and social inclusiveness than ANY example of communism throughout history.
Factually untrue. When compared at an equal level of development socialist countries provide a better physical quality of life.
And remind me, what are the top ten countries with the highest rankings in life expectancy, education, safety, personal freedom and personal wealth?
Here let me make it simple, none of them are communist and none ever have been.
That abstract may as well read as communist fan fiction. Because 100% their “socialist” examples are all democratic capitalist nations.
That’s the thing about the USA, they don’t know what socialism really is. So any country with public health care gets call “socialist”.
What? No they fucking aren’t. They are all literally the countries that you would call tankie. You have not read it. Bozo.
The actual socialist countries included(quoting from the study): China, Cuba, Mongolia, North Korea, Albania, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, USSR, Czechoslovakia, East Germany.
Liberals and literally just telling bare-faced lies. Name a more iconic duo.
The link only contains the abstract and doesnt name any countries. So if you have read the full paper and that is their claim then that paper isn’t worth shit.
Do you honestly expect anyone to believe that fucking North Korea ranks highly in ANY developmental index. What a fucking joke. Get your head out of your ass.
The current top ten countries on the international recognised human development index are, in order: 1 Switzerland 2 Norway 3 Iceland 4 Hong Kong 5 Australia 6 Denmark 7 Sweden 8 Ireland 9 Germany 10 Netherlands
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
You are full of shit and fucking moron, so get fucked idiot.
What are you imagining the country as? Do you think it’s some country where people push carts? It’s certainly not sunshine and roses but I think you’ll be surprised to hear 50-80% of the population owns a smartphone and at least 6million of the population use a contract mobile operator. https://www.38north.org/2022/11/twenty-years-of-mobile-communications-in-north-korea/
Looking into ownership rates of basic stuff like this is a pretty good way to get perspective on this kind of thing, especially when so far out of touch.
This is nonsense.
How many countries has America invaded in your lifetime?
The point is that America is a murderous nation.