White is not the only high-level cyclist to die in Colorado in recent years. In 2020, Clif Pro Team racer Ben Sonntag was killed by a driver while on a training ride outside Durango. That driver was sentenced to serve jail time in late 2021. In 2021, U.S. masters champion Gwen Inglis was killed by a driver outside Lakewood, Colorado.
You’re grasping at straws.
Per capita death includes all scenarios. We’re not talking about all scenarios. We’re not talking about whether cars are safer then bikes.
Riding a bike is safer than driving a vehicle. NO SHIT.
We’re specifically talking about riding your bike down a busy road with cars.
You do know there are other places to ride your bike where there aren’t massive death machines driving by right?
God damn are you really this dense?
Nobody is riding bikes on freeways, if that’s what you’re implying. What do you consider “too busy”? 1 car per hour? 100? 1000?
Rural roads, that is, farm roads with maybe a few cars an hour, like the roads that MANY cyclists use because they aren’t busy, can still kill cyclists because drivers are idiots.
What about residential neighbourhoods where kids live and play (and where cars still end up killing people)? Still too busy for bikes?
You’ve been blaming victims since your first comment, defending cars and relegating cycling to “extreme and crazy”. Yet you haven’t offered any solutions at all to what pedestrian and cyclists should do to perform their normal, daily tasks.
I’m COMPLETELY open to solutions, but it sounds like you simply don’t want cyclists on the road… any of them. And that’s not a solution to anything except making all areas in every community less safe to be in.
“Rural roads, that is, farm roads with maybe a few cars an hour, like the roads that MANY cyclists use because they aren’t busy, can still kill cyclists because drivers are idiots.”
Exactly! If you don’t want to die from getting hit by a car THEN STAY OFF THE ROAD. Literally cycle anywhere else it isn’t that hard. I don’t have sympathy for people who refuse to understand this.
I also have zero empathy for people that die in sky diving incidents. I have zero sympathy for people who do stupid shit and die from doing stupid shit.
So, help me to understand.
Someone walks out of their home with a bike. Now what? Where do they ride if they already know the destination?
Ironically, you consider anything except driving to be “stupid shit”, even though driving is more likely to get someone killed.
And we won’t even get into the number of lives SAVED because of the health benefits that go along with cycling, or the health detriments that go along with driving – even if you aren’t the driver!
You know that there are other places to ride your bike than busy roads right?
You know there are other ways to exercise right?
Sounds like you’re just being stubborn. Go for it buddy. It’s only your life.
You failed to answer the question.
Someone is trying to get to work or pick up prescriptions. They walk of their house with a bike. Where do you suggest they ride?
No, you failed to answer my question. With all of the places in the world you can ride your bike for entertainment/exercise why do you select busy roads? Why is your first and only choice to ride around death machines?
We aren’t talking about people who are too poor to buy a car or can’t take public transportation.
We are literally talking about people who are joy riding and do so on dangerous roads.
Did you forget that we are responding to a post about a child who died because he decided to use a public busy road for training? He very easily could have chosen a safer place to do it. Sounds to me like you’re the type of person who refuses to take accountability for your own actions.
You’re so stubborn that you’d rather die by getting hit by a car then just finding a safer place.
Really there is no point using logic with you because you don’t use that part of your brain.
Bye.
Can you name all of these places in the world to ride a bike? If not the road and not the sidewalk, where?
And nobody purposely chooses to ride their bike around cars - they are forced to with no other alternatives.
Still, they have a legal right to be on those roads, and drivers have a legal and moral obligation to drive safely.
The kid was cycling in an area close to his own home! He was struck from behind while riding on the shoulder!
Maybe drivers should learn how to drive and not kill people. How does that sound?
You haven’t ONCE held a driver responsible for their actions in any of your replies, so you are arguing in bad faith. You simply don’t like cyclists.
Pick a park. Simple. No cars there. Ride on trails, etc. Use your imagination. Again you’re overlooking this and automatically selecting roads. There are state parks all over the place that have biking trails. You’re just refusing to go there because you’re lazy.
Wrong. No one is forcing you to ride your bike. No other alternative? Go to a park, go to some where with trails. Go running. Go hiking. Use a stationary bike. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO CYCLE. If you’re cycling on a road, IT’S BECAUSE YOU MADE THE CHOICE TO DO SO. And if you made the choice to do so, you’ve done so by accepting the risk of getting hit by a car. Not getting hit by a car is as simple as making the choice to not cycle on a road with cars. It’s one thing if you have to go get your medication and don’t have a car. It’s another when you made a CHOICE to go exercise/train in a place where there are moving vehicles. So if you end up getting hit by a car, you need to accept accountability for your decision. You can’t just go do dangerous things, and put all blame on the person that hit you. You keep over looking the danger and you put all of the responsibility on the driver. The cyclist has responsibility too. Stop pretending they don’t. It would be no different if you decided to go sky diving, and your chute rips. If you die in that event, YOUR choice of going sky diving is a contribution to what led to that event, and you have to accept responsibility. If you decide to go skiing and you hit a tree, you can blame the tree all you want but YOU put yourself in that situation.
Can you stop with this already? Yes you have the right to ride your bike on the road. I am not saying you don’t have the right. Yes there is a moral obligation to be safe. What you clearly don’t understand is that even tho there is a moral obligation, IT IS STILL NOT SAFE AND IT NEVER WILL BE SAFE. Have you never taken a physics class? Why are you refusing to accept that THIS IS DANGEROUS. Your issue is you cannot separate that fact that moral obligation ALONE isn’t going to keep you from dying by getting hit by a car. You as a cyclist cannot control other people’s behaviors. If someone is going to get drunk and drive a car, then you are going to be cycling around people who are doing this. Why do you want to be cycling on a road where people are drunk, and there is nothing to protect you except for just a helmet?
YES BECAUSE HE WAS CYCLING ON A ROAD WHERE CARS DRIVE BY. When are you going to accept the reality that cycling on public roads is dangerous? People are literally dying and you still can’t see why it’s a bad idea…
Sounds excellent. How about you add this to the list of reasons why cycling around unpredictable drivers IS A BAD FUCKING IDEA. This is what we call judgement. You keep ignoring this point entirely and keep arguing bullshit points like “iTs My RiGhT”. You expect drivers to never hit you, which is a stupid expectation when you consider how shitty people are at driving and using their judgement. With how many car accidents there are on a yearly basis you have to be stupid to put yourself in this situation on a daily basis for the sole purposes of “training”.
Because we aren’t talking about the driver. We are talking about the person WHO PUT THEM SELF IN A POSITION WHERE IT’S EVEN POSSIBLE TO BE HIT BY A CAR. Throw the driver in jail and fuck him up. It isn’t the point tho. If you continue making the decision to cycle near unpredictable dangerous cars, then it’s just a matter of time and statistics before YOU are a statistic.