I’m not from the US so all of this is baffling. In Europe and even South America there’s tons of mechanisms to stop that from happening, and this kind of meddling would seriously result in arrests. However this is happening in the US with these people going completely unchecked. How is that even possible?!

  • listless@lemmy.cringecollective.io
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    19
    ·
    12 hours ago

    twice the orange shit was impeached, and the republicans did not remove him from office.

    then the orange shit was found guitly of 34 felonies and was let off the hook. technically convicted but no punishment.

    the systems, checks and balances that should have prevented this situation were tried, but congress / senate did not hold him accountable and punish him. they figured they would end up with more power and money if they let him do what he wanted and so are letting him.

    that’s basically it. unless there’s some sort of miracle (and i really doubt there will be) democracy is over in the united states. you just watched the grand old experiment fail.

    • Wxnzxn
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      9 hours ago

      So, it isn’t the exact same situation, but just as a reminder: von Papen, the conservative guy who ultimately put Hitler into power, initially thought he’d be savvy and cede only “not that important” posts to Hitler and the NSDAP. After all, a silly, comically insane upstart like Hitler would be easily outmanoeuvred by knowing the law and how statecraft works, right?

      Well, the Nazis just used those posts in illegal ways, overstepped their official authority and refused to report to von Papen at all (whom they should at that point have been subservient to) - knowing full well no one was going to stop them anyway. Shortly thereafter, von Papen was out and Hitler was chancellor.

      Von Papen managed to live until 1969, and wrote an autobiography that was derided by historians for having a terribly naive lack of understanding politics, lack of principles and being full of vanity.