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    It’s not strictly true collage or university as it’s know in the rest of the world, in the UK it’s only Scotland that gets free tuition, not the rest of us, higher education which is 16-18 is free

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      In France, college is free only if you’re from a underpriviledged social class, and only for a limited time.

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        I didn’t qualify as “boursier”, my tuition was around 400€/year through out bachlore and master degrees (école d’ingénieurs). It’s not so expensive. I still was able to claim 90€/month of help for housing (CAF). My friends who qualified paid 0€ for tuition, and they also got more for housing but I don’t remember how much. This was from 2011~2016.

        In south Germany today, a foreigner, who can’t claim any financial help, has to pay 3000~4000€/semester 1500€/semester.

        Still far far away from what education costs in USA from what I’ve heard.

        Edit: Corrected the price of tuition in Germany.

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          Our local university charges $440/year for parking :/

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              Some have different tuition for if you’re in state or from out of state, so around 10K usually for in state and around 20K for out of state, but some are 30K to 60K for the fancier universities in my state.

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                  I’m pretty sure it’s per year, it’s been a while since I looked at tuitions but the in / out of state tuitions for my school (8k and 33k) match what they list on the schools website for a full academic year for in and out of state students.

                  That’s just tuition so it doesn’t include cost of the dorm (8k), meal plans (5 or 6k depending on the level), and books (estimated $700), among other fees and stuff.

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          Foreigners from outside the EU pay between 3000€ and 4000€ by year (not semester) today in France, but licence, master and even PhD are cheaper than 400€ for European students. We are lucky, but still it’s not free.

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            It sure is not free. I am very fortunate it didn’t have to worry about money during my studies, as my parents were supporting me. But for my friend who was “boursier” and didn’t have to pay anything for the tuition, he still had to go in debt in order to have money for all the essentials (groceries, gas, etc). Studying engineering in France it not something you can do while having a part time job. We had around 35h of classes per week not including self study, practicing for exams and the almost mandatory parties :D

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              Yeah, no, livving isn’t free. You aren’t paid to study. However the loans offered, at least in Sweden, are at the lowest interest found. They even beat public sector interest rates. So you’d be hard pressed to find better terms.

              Imagine having to pay 20-30k extra per year on top of that. Unless you are ambitious…

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          I’m a foreigner without access to financial aid paying ~€400/semester in middle Germany for a master’s degree (bachelor’s is €100/semester less). Granted, I’m now married to a German, but I wasn’t when I started the program and the cost didn’t change when I got married.

          I would honestly shop around a little if I were you, other universities should be much cheaper. Unless you’re including rent, I guess.

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            After asking more precise information to the concerned person: Stuttgart university, non-EU foreigner has to pay 1500€/semester. If married to EU citizen, it becomes 190€/semester.

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              That’s insanely expensive and they should probably transfer (edit: I don’t know them or their situation, maybe they’re happy with it, but they could certainly save money elsewhere). Lots of businesses target wealthy and/or desperate foreigners, and that sounds like there’s something funky going on. I didn’t even meet my husband until I was partway through my studies and I’m not an eu citizen, so it’s not because of that.

              I’ve learned that if something is too geared towards foreign students, I’m probably getting taken advantage of somehow, because it’s really disturbingly common. I’m lucky, in that I don’t stick out much (tall, pale, and with a super German sounding name) and I’ve got C2 German and a background in contracts, and I’m still frequently seen as an easy mark by landlords, cell phone services, banks (?!), and other businesses with variable and opaque pricing.

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          Still far far away from what education costs in USA from what I’ve heard.

          More than 2 decades ago, that was just about the cost of community college (2 year associates degree).

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      Came to say this. Most people in the UK have to pay tuition for university. There is a govt loan but you’re still paying it, plus interest

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        Should be interest free. No reason for anyone to profit off higher education, other than the actual educators. Admin can suck a dick.

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      Yeah probably better to say we have a state run loans system, with fair repayment terms, that any resident is entitled to. So better than some countries but still not free.

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      Higher education is 16-18? That’s still included in our compulsory education in the US. Can children choose to drop out at 16 there?

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        How it works in the UK:

        • School: 5 - 16 years old
        • College or Sixth Form: 16-18 years old
        • University: 18years+

        College is actually akin to high-school in the UK, and is tuition free but university is not. The person who made this graphic probably googled ‘free college UK’ and didn’t understand the word means something different there

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        Not legally, but some of them do. You need to be in some form of education until you turn 18

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          It’s probably a vernacular thing then. In the US, 16-18 is “secondary education” and college is considered “higher education”

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            In the UK, secondary education is 11-16, further education is 16-18 and higher education is after that.

            When I was in secondary education you could leave at 16.

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              But to confuse things even more, colleges are places to go from 16, not to be confused with sixth-forms which do much the same thing, but are attached to secondary education schools.

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    But renaming mountains and bodies of water are going to solve all of that, our orange god king told us so.

    /s if it’s not obvious

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      College is free, uni isn’t

      Not our fault just one country uses the word incorrectly

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        You’re missing the point. They’re saying it’s not free, it’s funded by the government/tax dollars.

        Also languages develop regionally and sometimes use different words. It’s so 2010 to assert regional differences are “wrong.” Gag me with a spoon.

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          I feel like it depends on your translation and how you define “free”.

          I like to compare it to the differences between expenses and costs. Which is something people often confuse. Expenses are talking about the outflow of money and costs are talking about the effect of it on the bottom line.

          “Free” education is free, because it’s not an expense it can be considered and indirect cost. It might never be something that is paid if you never pay taxes for whatever reason.

          People also consider their social security income free because they don’t need to do more for it than filling in a form often online

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          I think free is a great word for something you can rock up to and collect without paying, and you don’t have to remortgage your house because your parent got cancer.

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              Yes I do get free hospitals. I live in the UK. Hospital visits are free and I don’t pay for them. I pay for parking if I park on site, but I absolutely do not pay for the healthcare. The healthcare is free. My daughter gets it free, I get it free, unemployed people get it free, billionaires get out free, everyone gets it free, no one is charged for it. The government pays the whole bill. Unlimited healthcare based on need, no cost.

              It’s earning a salary that isn’t free. That costs me 20% above a certain threshold. But, no, the hospitals are completely free.

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                  You’re twisting words to mean what you want them to mean. The healthcare is free but earning a salary is not. It’s very simple. You don’t pay for the healthcare, ever, no matter how often on expensive it is, but earning a salary is not free, and you get charged every time according to how much you get. The healthcare is free for everyone. Free. No charge. Unlimited. Free.

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      I think I understand your concern, but how do you very briefly describe what’s happening a better way?

      Schools in the US are “free”, although they are generally funded by taxes. I think if you said to most people that society benefits from a good basic education for everyone, they would agree.

      If you said that should apply to higher education, it doesn’t sound like too much of a stretch.

      If you then said “we should have the same standard of education and funding for the entire nation”, many people would say “No way”, because America, and that would mean centralized funding and standards and stuff. It’s always that last part.

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      It also isn’t free for people here, it’s paid. They pay you (not a very large amount but still) to go to any education above the mandatory education.

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          There is an obsessed with going to university - yes education is excellent but to end up in so much debt at such a young age is awful.

          Especially the stoopid requirement for so many “entry” level corporate roles that demand a degree, despite the role never using any skills from that degree. Recruitment seems to think having a degree automatically means a person with a degree will be the best hire.

          And trades - they are overshadowed because having a degree seems to be a better route career wise.

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    Canada actually has paid sick leave for a few years now. If I remember correctly, it’s federally mandated 10 paid sick days and 3 paid personal days.

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      Unfortunately, that’s at the federal level. Private companies are beholden to the provincial employment laws. A good example is Ontario, which had paid sick days but was repealed in 2018.

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        I often forget how bad my country folk have it in some places. I’m going to doxx myself a bit here.

        I’m a service member in Canada. In my first 5 years of service I received 20 payed annual leave days. After 5 years of service I received 25. At a later date I will receive thirty.

        I get every single federal holiday as well as provincial holiday for the province I’m posted to.

        At any given time I can request up to 2 days of sick leave/mental health days without a doctor’s note. After that I can be given any number of days off signed by a doctor.

        If I have a death in the immediate family I can receive 7 days or more of grievance and compassionate leave authorised by a chaplain or my commanding officer.

        Further to this, I get 100% dental coverage,my family gets 85%. I get $80k to go to university, $10k for professional development or college courses as well as a whole plethora of other benefits like free eye exams and subsidised glasses.

        I want this for all of my countrymen. My (often conservative) countrymen do not want this for themselves. Why? The fact I get all this shows that the Canadian Government is willing to give these benefits to any Canadian. But they don’t. Why?

        I get these benefits because I was too young and dumb to do anything with my life but join the army?

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        And Ontarians haven’t learned their lesson over the last 8 years of Dough boy Ford at the helm. He will likely be re-elected and continue to damage the province. The Canadian Conservatives are a fucking disgrace and I wish more people would recognize how shitty they actually are.

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      As someone else mentioned, that doesn’t cover everyone. It benefits “federally regulated employees”; but it’s a good start.

      BC NDP premiere John Horgan (RIP) gave all workers five paid sick days after Covid. Every province should.

      Edit: fixed my mistake.

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      Depending on your age, it is free. Need to slap some asterisks on the image with some sub notes.

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      It’s misleading. If you ask someone in the UK if college is free, they say “of course”, because they’re talking about 16-18 pre-university education. If you ask them if university is free, they say “only in Scotland”.

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    This is kinda misleading 'cause it portraits the UK as a Paradise and, well… Is the UK.

    (Although, compared to USA, The UK is indeed a Paradise)

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    Would you look at that, Brazil has all of those! The problem with UHC is that right wing politicians have been doing everything in their power to dismantle it ever since its inception.

    The previous govt (fucking bozo) was also keen on “isn’t it better to have some work and no rights, rather than having rights and no work?”

    Public universities, while being free, often can only be attended by the well off, since class times might be all over the week (Monday morning, Tuesday afternoon, Wednesday morning AND night), fucking anyone that needs to work to sustain themselves.

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    The world isn’t this black and white, so you can’t just compare things at a basic level like this

    For example the Netherlands has intuition fee’s for universities. It’s about 2500 euro per student per year. I’d much rather have it free, but it’s still nothing compared to the 50K or 100K some people pay for an American University

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      And the UK for that matter. You only get free education up to A Levels (18 years old).

      If you want a degree then you pay for it.

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        Hey, leave Scotland out of this. We get tuition fees paid plus a student loan which you can just sort of never pay back 👌

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      Exactly. Germany also has free Universities but there are mandatory charges you have to pay in order to study. Its just not a university fee but a fee for a mandatory university service (still mutch lower than other countries with university fees).

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      Similar in Canada. It may not be free, but it’s ridiculously cheap compared to what the US deals with and we still have great financial assistance for those who can’t afford that.

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      Because Ireland is an independent nation and representing a former colony that you committed genocide against on your flag, coat of arms, and list of noble titles in 2025 is ghoulish.

      (It’s definitely not that but wouldn’t that be nice)

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    Plenty of states offer free community and state college admission for residents; not saying the chart isn’t right (and sad) but I hate the stigma that the only good colleges are for-profit private ones.