The 14th amendment starts off:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside

Which makes any attempt to make people born in the US not be citizens like this simply unconstitutional. Documentation of birth in the US is pretty much the only proof of citizenship that most Americans have, so getting rid of this puts every non-immigrant American’s citizenship in doubt.

  • Cool_Name@lemm.eeEnglish
    67·
    22 hours ago

    I like to ask people who want to be tough on immigration, if you were arrested right now and accused of not being a citizen could you prove that you are?

    Address, Drivers License, SSN? Non citizens can have all of those. A passport should work if you have one, but if you don’t have it on you, you might be detained for a long time before you can get it and prove your citizenship.

    Now, under the EO even having your birth certificate won’t cut it. You’d need to prove one of your parents was a citizen. So what? We’re all going to walk around with a family tree of birth certificates?

  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
    16·
    20 hours ago

    Trump’s argument:

    If someone is not here legally, then the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” doesn’t apply to them. Their kids aren’t citizens.

    I guess now he has to explain how he can deport people who aren’t “subject to the jurisdiction”.

  • octopus_inkEnglish
    2510·
    21 hours ago

    I no longer believe we have a government that will enforce any judgment that is not aligned with Trump’s agenda. That’s right, my confidence in our institutions no longer exists. Always a good sign for any nation.

    Thanks DNC, shoulda thought about this before you told Kamala to try for R votes instead of D ones. Too late now; we all have to suffer for your hubris.

    • gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world
      14·
      20 hours ago

      Thanks DNC, shoulda thought about this before you told Kamala to try for R votes instead of D ones. Too late now; we all have to suffer for your hubris.

      Yep, this really doesn’t get repeated often enough around here, but we’re going to keep losing to these fascist shitheads so long as those corrupt liberal assholes have a death grip on the party and refuse to let progressive leadership take over. It’s been blatantly obvious since 2016 that this was the case but all the propaganda machines for Democratic and Republican party voters have been doing everything they can to hide this very obvious and repeatedly demonstrated fact.

      • octopus_inkEnglish
        171·
        21 hours ago

        Plenty of blame to go around. The people who voted Trump, the people who didn’t vote, and the people who told Kamala to tack to the right. And the DOJ that spent four years making rude noises about prosecuting Trump and little else.

      • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        141·
        21 hours ago

        The DNC party establishment absolutely snatched defeat from the jaws of victory here. The republicans are absolute psychopaths, but the DNC deserves a shitload of blame for basically refusing to take the threat seriously and using an absolutely idiotic strategy.

      • xmunk@sh.itjust.works
        4·
        18 hours ago

        I guess my objection is that a copy editor found it meaningful to specifically say there were eighteen states… they didn’t say “multiple” or something else vague.

        If the fact that there are eighteen is important than what those eighteen are is important.