Of course, I’m not in favor of this “AI slop” that we’re having in this century (although I admit that it has some good legitimate uses but greed always speaks louder) but I wonder if it will suffer some kind of piracy, if it is already suffering or people simple are not interested in “pirated AI”
Jailbreaking LLMs and Diffusers is a thing. But I wouldn’t call it piracy
I’m pretty sure those things are trained on content which was obtained without paying royalties to the creators, hence by definition pirated content - so that would count as “piracy around them”.
On the opposite side, as far as I know the things created with Generative AI so far can’t be copyrighted, hence by definition can’t be pirated as they’ve always belonged to the Public Domain.
As for the engines themselves, there are good fully open source options out there which can be locally installed (if you have enough memory in your graphics card) and there seem to be thriving communities around it (at least it looks like it from what bit I dipped into that stuff so far). I’m not sure if it’s at all possible to pirate the closed source engines since I expect those things are designed to be deployed to very specific server farm architectures.
I mean they stole people’s actual work already, so they’re the bad kind of pirates.
Just like people steal movies from the high seas? I hope this is sarcasm.
More like, they took content and make money from it without paying to content creator.
Nope, there’s a difference there in that they aren’t taking something from ordinary people who need the money in order to survive. Actors, producers, directors etc have already been paid and besides, hollywood etc aren’t exactly using that money to give back to society in any meaningful way most of the time.
They did not take money from anyone. Are ‘t we on the priacy community? What is with the double standards? It’s theft if it’s against the Little Guy™ but it’s civil copyright violation if it’s against the Corpos?
I’m against corporations. Not actual people. I don’t see how that’s double standards at all.
That tracks.
How is what they’re doing different from, say, an IPTV provider?
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I’m talking about the data sets LLMs use, just so we’re on the same page.
There already is. You can download copies of AI that are similar or better than ChatGPT from hugging face. I run different models locally to create my own useless AI slop without paying for anything.
Are you referring to ollama?
No because that is just an API that can run LLMs locally. GPT4All is an all in one solution that can run the .gguf file. Same with kobold ai.
Cool I’ll check that out
That makes no sense. Define pirated AI first.
Yeah the whole of generated AI feels like legal piracy (that they charge for) based on how they train their data
Not sure it it counts in any way as piracy per say, but there is at least jail broken bing’s copilot AI (Sydney version) using SydneyQT from Juzeon on github.
Some of the “open” models seem to have augmented their training data with OpenAI and Anthropic requests (I. E. they sometimes say they’re ChatGPT or Claude). I guess that may be considered piracy. There are a lot of customer service bots that just hook into OpenAI APIs and don’t have a lot of guardrails, so you can do stuff like ask a car dealership’s customer service to write you Python code. Actual piracy would require someone leaking the model.
Weight leaks for semi-open models have been fairly common in the past. Meta’s LLaMa1.0 model was originally closed source, but the weights were leaked and spread pretty rapidly (effectively laundered through finetunes and merges), leading to Meta embracing quasi-open source post-hoc. Similarly, most of the anime-style Stable Diffusion 1.5 models were based on NovelAI’s custom finetune, and the weights were similarly laundered and became ubiquitous.
Those incidents were both in 2023. Aside from some of the biggest players (OpenAI, Google, Anthropic, and I guess Apple kinda), open weight releases (usually not open source) have been become the norm (even for frontier models like DeepSeek-V3, Qwen 2.5 and Llama 3.1), so piracy in that case is moot (although it’s easy to assume that use non-compliant with licenses is also ubiquitous). Leakage of currently closed frontier models would be interesting from an academic and journalistic perspective, for being able to dig into the architecture and assess things like safety and regurgitation outside of the online service shell, but those frontier models would require so much compute that they’d be unusable by individual actors.
@incognito08 AI could be a direction in piracy too imo
