Trump’s guy did what we’ve been demanding Biden and Blinken to do on day one: use the US’ leverage to force the Israeli government to take a deal.
That’s what the article says. I do not believe it. I think based on what I know of Trump and Netanyahu, that there may be a small cessation in the fighting or there may not (anywhere from a few days to a few months), and then Israel’s slaughter of “Hamas” meaning all the Palestinians in Gaza, will continue unabated and the dying will greatly accelerate as famine and lack of medicine finish the gruesome job that they already have well-underway.
I think your giving credit to Trump as a tough negotiator, and also as someone who cares at all about Israel stopping their current genocidal operation, sounds like it’s based more on the idea of telling a narrative about Biden, than on anything resembling reality.
The Biden strategy didn’t work
True. He might as well have finally drawn a line in the sand and tried to overturn decades of US support for Israel’s ongoing holocaust, because what he did was a crime against humanity. Why he did it, I don’t know, but in any sane world it would be as monstrous a stain on his legacy in the general public’s mind just as much as it is in Lemmy’s mind.
and possibly even lost the Democrats their election.
You’ve got to be joking. The price of eggs being high, and the American media landscape being a grand wasteland of propaganda and trash, lost the Democrats their election. If he had come out swinging “in favor of Hamas,” as that same American media would have portrayed it, that same American media would have eviscerated him. He might have gotten impeached for it.
You are vastly overestimating the extent to which the American public knows and cares about the killing that’s going on in the Gaza strip.
There could be other things going on, obviously, I wouldn’t put it past Trump to offer something else in exchange that Biden wouldn’t ever offer
Yeah, maybe. Like the promise that sometime next year, after some wholly predictable “terrorism” by Hamas, he can start doing the same thing in the West Bank, and the US won’t say a word even in these bullshit “stop or I’ll say stop again” Biden phone calls, and instead will give him full-throated support and a historic flow of new weapons and diplomatic cover, so that by the end of Trump’s presidency Palestine will be no more. I definitely think that’s possible. I think it’s actually more unlikely than even odds that the Gaza strip will no longer exist, as a place for Palestinians, at the end of Trump’s upcoming term. It’s happened to plenty of places in what used to be Palestine.
Not that any of that excuses Biden running cover for him for the last year, of course. You’re not wrong about Biden’s complicity, just about its electoral consequences, I think.
That’s what the article says. I do not believe it.
You’re gonna need some real evidence if you’re claiming The Guardian is publishing straight up lies.
I think your giving credit to Trump as a tough negotiator,
It’s not about Trump being a tough negotiator; Trump simply doesn’t intend to be Netanyahu’s removed like Biden was. He also doesn’t give two shits about the Zionist lebensraum project so to him Israel’s war is nothing but a headache. Trump proved what we all know: That when the POTUS makes a real demand from Israel that demand is realized. There’s nothing to even negotiate.
You’re gonna need some real evidence if you’re claiming The Guardian is publishing straight up lies.
Lies are a little different from horseshit. Or, if you want the technical term, bullshit.
I have no doubt that the Times of Israel actually published the things The Guardian said they published. I also see no reason to doubt that Trump’s negotiator met with Netanyahu’s people. The part that I think is horseshit is the whole narrative:
“They came to realise that Trump speaks at dictation pace, and they will never be able to outflank him from the right.” Trump is incredibly easy to outflank from the right. Putin does it, for example. I don’t actually know what “speaks at dictation pace” means, but if it means Trump is sharp on his feet and says things more quickly or succinctly or meaningfully than other people, then yes, that is false. My proof is any of his speeches or interviews. I’m sure it is technically true that someone said that and is now being quoted in The Guardian. What I’m questioning is why this untrue statement is being published all in the service of fellating Trump in general about his deal-making ability and his forceful treatment of the Netanyahu government.
Netanyahu, as he always does when successful cease-fire deals are announced by the US and Qatar, went out of his way to say that he hasn’t agreed to anything and still wants to work out the details. For all I know, he is planning on some amount of performative agreement to this one, followed by a resumption of the killing after a pretty short time.
Honestly, my proof is to be seen in the future. This cease-fire may, unlike the others, succeed for a short time and then collapse and the killing resume. Or Israel may simply throw it in the garbage as they did the others. The idea that Trump has fixed it now because he’s tougher than the previous State Department, the cunning artifice which The Guardian has assembled out of a series of technically-true statements, will absolutely be shown to be false, probably before too much time has passed.
Anyone who has been paying attention to Netanyahu knows that he was planning to kill the cease-fire, and anyone who has been paying attention to Trump knows that the idea that he would finally be the one to reign in Netanyahu, and that’s what’s happening here, is a bunch of raving gibberish. I won’t say there won’t be a short performative cease-fire eventually, although to me it seems a little unlikely. But, big picture, the killing will continue and accelerate under Trump, as it was incredibly obvious that it would.
I don’t doubt that Israel will just continue bombing whatever they please in Gaza, that was always going to happen. Israel had already killed more than 2000 Gazans before Oct 7 happened in the same year, and similarly they haven’t retreated from Lebanon despite the cease fire agreement demanding that as well. That was basically always going to happen no matter who was in charge.
That’s what the article says. I do not believe it. I think based on what I know of Trump and Netanyahu, that there may be a small cessation in the fighting or there may not (anywhere from a few days to a few months), and then Israel’s slaughter of “Hamas” meaning all the Palestinians in Gaza, will continue unabated and the dying will greatly accelerate as famine and lack of medicine finish the gruesome job that they already have well-underway.
I think your giving credit to Trump as a tough negotiator, and also as someone who cares at all about Israel stopping their current genocidal operation, sounds like it’s based more on the idea of telling a narrative about Biden, than on anything resembling reality.
True. He might as well have finally drawn a line in the sand and tried to overturn decades of US support for Israel’s ongoing holocaust, because what he did was a crime against humanity. Why he did it, I don’t know, but in any sane world it would be as monstrous a stain on his legacy in the general public’s mind just as much as it is in Lemmy’s mind.
You’ve got to be joking. The price of eggs being high, and the American media landscape being a grand wasteland of propaganda and trash, lost the Democrats their election. If he had come out swinging “in favor of Hamas,” as that same American media would have portrayed it, that same American media would have eviscerated him. He might have gotten impeached for it.
You are vastly overestimating the extent to which the American public knows and cares about the killing that’s going on in the Gaza strip.
Yeah, maybe. Like the promise that sometime next year, after some wholly predictable “terrorism” by Hamas, he can start doing the same thing in the West Bank, and the US won’t say a word even in these bullshit “stop or I’ll say stop again” Biden phone calls, and instead will give him full-throated support and a historic flow of new weapons and diplomatic cover, so that by the end of Trump’s presidency Palestine will be no more. I definitely think that’s possible. I think it’s actually more unlikely than even odds that the Gaza strip will no longer exist, as a place for Palestinians, at the end of Trump’s upcoming term. It’s happened to plenty of places in what used to be Palestine.
Not that any of that excuses Biden running cover for him for the last year, of course. You’re not wrong about Biden’s complicity, just about its electoral consequences, I think.
You’re gonna need some real evidence if you’re claiming The Guardian is publishing straight up lies.
It’s not about Trump being a tough negotiator; Trump simply doesn’t intend to be Netanyahu’s removed like Biden was. He also doesn’t give two shits about the Zionist lebensraum project so to him Israel’s war is nothing but a headache. Trump proved what we all know: That when the POTUS makes a real demand from Israel that demand is realized. There’s nothing to even negotiate.
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-biden-election-poll
Lies are a little different from horseshit. Or, if you want the technical term, bullshit.
I have no doubt that the Times of Israel actually published the things The Guardian said they published. I also see no reason to doubt that Trump’s negotiator met with Netanyahu’s people. The part that I think is horseshit is the whole narrative:
“They came to realise that Trump speaks at dictation pace, and they will never be able to outflank him from the right.” Trump is incredibly easy to outflank from the right. Putin does it, for example. I don’t actually know what “speaks at dictation pace” means, but if it means Trump is sharp on his feet and says things more quickly or succinctly or meaningfully than other people, then yes, that is false. My proof is any of his speeches or interviews. I’m sure it is technically true that someone said that and is now being quoted in The Guardian. What I’m questioning is why this untrue statement is being published all in the service of fellating Trump in general about his deal-making ability and his forceful treatment of the Netanyahu government.
Netanyahu, as he always does when successful cease-fire deals are announced by the US and Qatar, went out of his way to say that he hasn’t agreed to anything and still wants to work out the details. For all I know, he is planning on some amount of performative agreement to this one, followed by a resumption of the killing after a pretty short time.
Honestly, my proof is to be seen in the future. This cease-fire may, unlike the others, succeed for a short time and then collapse and the killing resume. Or Israel may simply throw it in the garbage as they did the others. The idea that Trump has fixed it now because he’s tougher than the previous State Department, the cunning artifice which The Guardian has assembled out of a series of technically-true statements, will absolutely be shown to be false, probably before too much time has passed.
Update: My proof has happened. Israel just killed a bunch more people with a new round of bombing, including several little kids.
Good thing Trump fixed it. I’ll update you with more proof in the future as more of it happens.
Update: More proof has happened. Netanyahu has said that he won’t let the cabinet vote on the ceasefire yet.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/16/benjamin-netanyahu-no-vote-on-gaza-ceasefire-deal-until-hamas-accepts-all-terms
Anyone who has been paying attention to Netanyahu knows that he was planning to kill the cease-fire, and anyone who has been paying attention to Trump knows that the idea that he would finally be the one to reign in Netanyahu, and that’s what’s happening here, is a bunch of raving gibberish. I won’t say there won’t be a short performative cease-fire eventually, although to me it seems a little unlikely. But, big picture, the killing will continue and accelerate under Trump, as it was incredibly obvious that it would.
I don’t doubt that Israel will just continue bombing whatever they please in Gaza, that was always going to happen. Israel had already killed more than 2000 Gazans before Oct 7 happened in the same year, and similarly they haven’t retreated from Lebanon despite the cease fire agreement demanding that as well. That was basically always going to happen no matter who was in charge.
I guess we’ll see how it all shakes out, I guess.