It’s just sad seeing the dissonance between people who don’t make the connection (or lack thereof) between simultaneously thinking “I have a dead, tortured animal on my plate” and “I’m a good person,” especially when it’s so easy to just not hurt animals.
Once you see it, you can’t unsee it. These behaviors are so normal because that contradiction is so commonplace.
I’m a big fan of the show. But we need to realize that we actually do have a responsibility to minimize the harm we cause when we’re able to. I wouldn’t accept “but you have a phone tho” or “no ethical consumption under capitalism” as justifications for buying a child-killing SUV, for example. It’s just kinda defeatist.
And even if my choices make literally zero difference, and the world is exactly the same with or without my actions (which is just not the case), I still sleep better knowing I’m not contributing to the extreme and obvious harms of animal agriculture.
Me personally? I don’t know if I’d applaud it, because if someone’s still eating animal products (a) they still see animals as resources to exploit, not individuals, and (b) the chicken you kill on Tuesday doesn’t really care about the chicken you didn’t kill on Monday.
But for sure it’s a great first step. Some people need time to adjust and I support anything that moves us in the direction of kindness towards animals.
I see the dead animal on my plate and still don’t care. We eat meat. End of the story.
What pissess me off is how the animal ended as meat. Just let it move dammit. Take the cow for a walk daily or something, I don’t care, but don’t keep it confined 24/7.
Right, this is a very common mindset to have. There are two things to think about that come to mind for me:
First is that (almost) everyone thinks factory farming is bad, but around 75% of all land animals in animal agriculture are factory farmed. In the US, it’s around 99.7%. In particular it’s a very safe bet that if you eat a random chicken, while they were alive they were in abject misery.
Second is I think animals have an inherent right to life that we shouldn’t infringe upon. I wouldn’t suddenly think it’s ok if someone shot and instantly killed a dog, even if they were loved their entire life and only had “one bad day.” It also wouldn’t make it ok if someone ate the dog afterwards, because that doesn’t really matter to the dog. All animals want to live, and killing them unnecessarily is wrong.
I know most meat is factory made. It’s simply most efficient method, animals be damned. Sad they can’t lobotomize them first tho.
Second - if you kill to eat, that’s okiedokie in my book. If you kill to defend, same. If you kill for sport, for funzies or to fuck around, next time you should be on the other side of the powder charge.
Now, however. I am slightly less empathetic than most folk, mainly working on logic, so, however horrible it seems, I don’t feel horror or anything like that about the suffering. But it pisses me off we can do better today but we don’t.
You should be ashamed of your ruthless reign of terror against plants, harvested by the billions and modified by humans in ways that no longer resemble their ancestors.
It takes many more plants to raise a pound of meat to eat than it does to eat the plants directly, so we are still in agreement that the best way to minimize harm and respect the sanctity of all life is to eat a plant-based diet.
Not to mention factory farmed in artificial orchards, not freely growing in the wild. Absolutely disgusting. Did you know they don’t even pick fruits? They have a big machine that shakes the fuck out of the poor tree until everything falls off.
invades every conversation by describing normal behaviors in the worst possible way to make their position seem better
“Why do people hate vegans so much?”
It’s just sad seeing the dissonance between people who don’t make the connection (or lack thereof) between simultaneously thinking “I have a dead, tortured animal on my plate” and “I’m a good person,” especially when it’s so easy to just not hurt animals.
Once you see it, you can’t unsee it. These behaviors are so normal because that contradiction is so commonplace.
Your technology has a high chance of having child labor in it. The roof over your head, the vegetables that you eat, the vehicles that you drive…
Why don’t you see it?
I recommend looking at my response to the reply about “the good place” and continuing the thread there, it’s the same ideas.
You need to watch The Good Place
I’m a big fan of the show. But we need to realize that we actually do have a responsibility to minimize the harm we cause when we’re able to. I wouldn’t accept “but you have a phone tho” or “no ethical consumption under capitalism” as justifications for buying a child-killing SUV, for example. It’s just kinda defeatist.
And even if my choices make literally zero difference, and the world is exactly the same with or without my actions (which is just not the case), I still sleep better knowing I’m not contributing to the extreme and obvious harms of animal agriculture.
So you would applaud someone for eating less meat? Or maybe a veggie burger with cheese?
Me personally? I don’t know if I’d applaud it, because if someone’s still eating animal products (a) they still see animals as resources to exploit, not individuals, and (b) the chicken you kill on Tuesday doesn’t really care about the chicken you didn’t kill on Monday.
But for sure it’s a great first step. Some people need time to adjust and I support anything that moves us in the direction of kindness towards animals.
very well said.
I see the dead animal on my plate and still don’t care. We eat meat. End of the story.
What pissess me off is how the animal ended as meat. Just let it move dammit. Take the cow for a walk daily or something, I don’t care, but don’t keep it confined 24/7.
Right, this is a very common mindset to have. There are two things to think about that come to mind for me:
First is that (almost) everyone thinks factory farming is bad, but around 75% of all land animals in animal agriculture are factory farmed. In the US, it’s around 99.7%. In particular it’s a very safe bet that if you eat a random chicken, while they were alive they were in abject misery.
Second is I think animals have an inherent right to life that we shouldn’t infringe upon. I wouldn’t suddenly think it’s ok if someone shot and instantly killed a dog, even if they were loved their entire life and only had “one bad day.” It also wouldn’t make it ok if someone ate the dog afterwards, because that doesn’t really matter to the dog. All animals want to live, and killing them unnecessarily is wrong.
I know most meat is factory made. It’s simply most efficient method, animals be damned. Sad they can’t lobotomize them first tho.
Second - if you kill to eat, that’s okiedokie in my book. If you kill to defend, same. If you kill for sport, for funzies or to fuck around, next time you should be on the other side of the powder charge.
Now, however. I am slightly less empathetic than most folk, mainly working on logic, so, however horrible it seems, I don’t feel horror or anything like that about the suffering. But it pisses me off we can do better today but we don’t.
no one thinks that. and the animals aren’t tortured, anyway
attacking the normalization is exactly the point.
You should be ashamed of your ruthless reign of terror against plants, harvested by the billions and modified by humans in ways that no longer resemble their ancestors.
It takes many more plants to raise a pound of meat to eat than it does to eat the plants directly, so we are still in agreement that the best way to minimize harm and respect the sanctity of all life is to eat a plant-based diet.
Not to mention factory farmed in artificial orchards, not freely growing in the wild. Absolutely disgusting. Did you know they don’t even pick fruits? They have a big machine that shakes the fuck out of the poor tree until everything falls off.
Don’t forget that there’s only like 2 real citrus fruits the rest are all genetically modified fruits.