It is getting absurd at this poin. Just get a laptop and call it a day

  • Nima@leminal.space
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    11 days ago

    i agree. the reason steam deck and other handhelds work well is because of the smaller screen/resolution.

    makes it light and games run ok due to the smaller resolution. a chonker like this completely defeats the purpose of a handheld imo.

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      Every other PC handheld runs at 1080+. And while I agree 800p is the ideal resolution there’s clearly a market for higher resolution. Especially for those of us running lighter games.

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        oh I’m good where I am with the deck. in future I’m sure it will get smaller, not bigger.

        that, and competitors can’t seem to come up with a decent trackpad the way steam deck has. so competitors will need more than a higher resolution and a huge fat monitor.

        just my opinion, anyway.

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      Yeah, how is it that none of these so-called “rivals” have even a single touchpad? I personally wouldn’t even consider a device that forces me to use a thumbstick as a mouse.

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        nah babe just COVER your screen in fingerprints! everyone loves touch screens right??

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          “I appreciate covering my screen in fingerprints, obviously. But what really makes me happy is trying dozens of times to get my fat thumb to register on an interface designed for a mouse.”

          • a quote by someone making hardware decisions at SteamDeck rival manufacturers, apparently.
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          If I don’t have it docked I use the right one for anything first-person. I hate aiming with a thumbstick, so it gets used as a mouse. The left one usually gets used as a hotbar.

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        I’ve never used the touchpads on mine outside of desktop mode. The vast majority of games have controller support.

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          It depends what you play. Strategy games benefit from the touchpads as mice.

          Also I sometimes use the touchpads for touch menus.

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            Yes it does, but as I said, the games that necessitate trackpads are a super minority. That’s why they’re not included in most devices. They take up a lot of space. The Steam Deck is significantly wider than most of it’s competitors.

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        The Legion Go has a touchpad. I think even the newer one that’s been announced has an (albeit much smaller) touchpad.

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      Lmfao. I didn’t even notice that. Damn. They didn’t even put the joystick next to the buttons on the right side like the steam deck for better ergonomic, they STILL put it under the buttons.

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    Honestly the deck is already pushing how big a handheld can be and still be portable/handheld. I don’t think I would want anything larger

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      Yah, it appears that 650g is the maximum weight im willing to hold for more than 30 minutes. Even then I’d rather use my ipad as a steam link.

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        Yeah if they could find a way to shave even 30-50 grams that would make a big difference

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    A pound heavier than a steam deck doesn’t sound like a lot, but it is in practice.

    Also… Windows? Well it’s not good for handheld gaming right out of the gate.

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      I’m stoked about the removable controllers, though. I’m gimpy AF so even the steam deck is too heavy. I ended up with a Legion Go and love that I can use it with wireless controllers and the kickstand.

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    I find it absolutely hilarious that every single company has a “Steam Deck killer” yet not a single one of them have any idea what made the Steam Deck popular, all they understand is PC handheld with controller (Lenovo is starting to catch on tho).

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        The steam deck the absolute most ergonomic handheld I’ve ever tried. It’s so fucking comfortable to game on. I love how they put the joystick the same level as the buttons where my thumb moves very naturally between the two. It has amazing touchpads. Great battery and performance. It’s just an amazing device.

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          Once I got a Steam Deck, going back to a Switch (for ToTK) feels super awkward for my right thumb. Like I have to hold it funny to adjust the camera and then shift to hit the buttons. Never noticed it before I got my Deck.

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            100%. I have a onexplayer and it’s very hard to play on it with the joystick directly under the buttons. I’m having to move my hand up and down constantly.

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          In short, Steam Deck was made so that the people at Valve would want to use the Deck. Meanwhile most of the competition is operating on “bigger numbers mean better product”.

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          I mean in a lot of ways they literally can’t compete on these things. Price/quality are difficult cause valve can sell their product at a loss (cause theyll make it back on steam sales), software is weird cause who is investing a whole OS to just sell hardware (valve can cause it’s directly tied to their marketplace).

          Id give you TouchPad, but I don’t know what the patents are on those, cause I’ve only seen that design on valve products.

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            I don’t believe Valve is selling them at a loss, but they definitely have less pressure to profit because they are not a publicly traded company.

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              It’s not even about being publicly traded. I suspect they’re taking the console approach where you count on the attach rate (people buying steam games) to make you money.

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                Not people publicly traded or having to answer to investors is important because you don’t have to maintain forever increasing profits. You can take more risks and focus on your users needs. Most brands put out lame products because they are trying to keep a certain margin of profit.

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    Hot take, but I see it having a market for people who just want to play on a tablet dedicated to gaming without futzing with peripherals. During break I stole my daughter’s tablet to play Gameboy games and it was possibly better than my deck (lighter weight, bigger screen, and shaders that give it a pixel grid w/ a GBC border frame).

    This big thing is still not for me, though, as I’d prefer the versatility of going portrait mode because I would likely use it as a 3DS emulator depending on how good the touch is. DS screens fit quite comfortably on tablets in portrait mode. (Assuming I even have the disposable income, which I do not).

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      Someone was always going to do an XL version for people who want something thats more “portable gaming station” than “handheld”. I dont know why people seem to be removed about having options.

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    My issue is power consumption. Where I live, I rely on solar panels and batteries, and the steam deck is less power hungry than a laptop with graphics card.

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    Yes, but how can you train your beautiful gamer biceps then? You can have all that beautiful extra train and stay in shape while playing your favorite games. A double win!

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    I don’t think 11 inch is absurdely big. That’s the screen size of the current iPad air.

    • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      The iPad probably weights less than half what this thing does, and probably takes up a lot less space.

      Also it’s probably faster and almost certainly gets better battery life.

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        You’re probably right on the battery, as this thing has a tiny (compared to its screen and res) battery of 55wah

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          Such an Acer move to put a tiny battery in such a big (relatively) power hungry device. That’s what I hate the most about cheap PC manufacturers.

          My next question is is this going to be built like an Acer as well?

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      True, but iPads don’t have inbuilt controllers, and packing one would inherently make it less portable than a deck. I think if you’re making a portable gaming system, your maximum screen size is sharply constrained by the form factor of the controller around it.

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        This device is basically a windows tablet with detatchable controllers. This will probably me more portable than if the controllers were always connected.

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    Honestly, it kinda makes sense with the detachable controllers. It’s essentially a very powerful tablet. It’s less practical but it serves a different niche than the Steam Deck IMO.

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      I get it, but it wouldn’t be a handheld anymore. What’s a handheld if it makes your arm tired after a couple of minutes? Plus, the battery life on this thing is going to be abysmal with the 55wah battery they put in it.

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        This is the kind of thing you take with you on vacation in a motorhome at a campsite. Situations where a PC is not practical but you’re stationary enough to not have to worry about the size or the battery life.

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          That’s what I said the second I saw it. Too big to be practically portable, for me anyway. So it’s basically a bigger steam deck that you only use at home. Not a bad idea, but not worth what they are charging for it, not for me anyway.

          Lately I’ve been using an 8 year old 13" Chromebook and an old xbone controller to stream steam games from my PC to my couch.

          No it’s not portable, but it’s all I would use it for anyway, and it cost me nothing but the parts I had laying around. Anyone else could probably do the same thing for just $100-200. Not $1000+.

          I’m not against buying new stuff, and new technology. But it’s not always needed. For me anyway 🤷‍♂️

  • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
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    Smart move. People keep buying ridiculously oversized phones. Smaller ones somehow do not sell. So why not apply the same concept to tablets

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    A laptop does not support attached controllers for hand-holding. Seems pretty obvious.

    I cannot hold my hands in the air indefinitely. Even completely empty my arms will get tired after a few short minutes, much less several hours. My Steam Deck gets held on my lap or on a table or something like that.

    OneXPlayer has something similar that I actually considered buying (but ultimately didn’t for several reasons) that includes a keyboard and (laptop) trackpad and a pen. If I can buy 1 device that can do both handheld gaming and also laptop productivity, I can save a whole lot of money…