Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said 'there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell that Canada would become part of the United States,' on the same day U.S. President-elect Donald Trump declared that he’s open to using 'economic force' to acquire Canada.
conventionally, the US is the world hegemon as far as naval and air power goes, they are unbeatable.
I see what you’re saying. But that Hegemony is based entirely on military bases spread on foreign soil in countries who would immediately upon the start of hostilities annex them. No one “individual” American military base could possibly win a battle surrounded by a suddenly hostile foreign country that they now find themselves an enclave in. Just like that…within days, American’s global reach would vanish (with the exception of naval power of course)
We’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one. It’s a great discussion to have, though I’d never like to see it proven one way or another.
I was speaing from the point of view as someone in north america having to deal with american aggression, Yeah the US would lose its bases across the world in short order, but No one is going to be able to come to the aid of Canada or Mexico if they were invaded. Not as long as the US still has the USN,
and the next two largest Navies, are also states Canada would never accept help from, Russia and China… China is a hard sell, if America was hostile, and China extended a hand, yeah there’d be strings attached, If it were my choice, I’d take it if it meant it was Only Chinese assistance. Russian on the other hand, The Russian ideology is incompatible with life as we know it, I’d rather go down fighting than ever shake hands with Z-Nazis who I personally believe are the ringmasters of this entire world crisis with America turning the way it is.
(also a good portion of the Russian navy is creating a coral reef at the bottom of the black sea, where it belongs)
If the US became Imperialistic, and I mean old-school Imperial, non of this new age cultural or economic imperialism, then they could probably “take” their first conquest or two without much opposition. In this case Canada and Greenland would probably fall to US occupation.
It’s what would happen next that would destroy the American Empire. Everything you said is true, and every one of the US’s allies would wonder if they are next. If Canada, the US’s closest ally for generations cannot trust the US who can? The clear answer is no one. I would expect a swift unravelling of the global order. The EU would be an interesting case. With a belligerent (but failing) Russia to the East, and their long standing guarantor of peace suddenly no better, would it crack under the stress or would something more capable emerge?
It’s a horrific dystopian future we face, the entire globe would be plunged into an era of increased tension and military spending in the best case.
The current US “empire” has shown that buying something is cheaper and more beneficial than conquering something. In a few short years Trump might effectively vastly increase the cost of power from Canadian hydro facilities and at the same time scare away any others that would do business with them.
I see what you’re saying. But that Hegemony is based entirely on military bases spread on foreign soil in countries who would immediately upon the start of hostilities annex them. No one “individual” American military base could possibly win a battle surrounded by a suddenly hostile foreign country that they now find themselves an enclave in. Just like that…within days, American’s global reach would vanish (with the exception of naval power of course)
We’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one. It’s a great discussion to have, though I’d never like to see it proven one way or another.
I was speaing from the point of view as someone in north america having to deal with american aggression, Yeah the US would lose its bases across the world in short order, but No one is going to be able to come to the aid of Canada or Mexico if they were invaded. Not as long as the US still has the USN,
and the next two largest Navies, are also states Canada would never accept help from, Russia and China… China is a hard sell, if America was hostile, and China extended a hand, yeah there’d be strings attached, If it were my choice, I’d take it if it meant it was Only Chinese assistance. Russian on the other hand, The Russian ideology is incompatible with life as we know it, I’d rather go down fighting than ever shake hands with Z-Nazis who I personally believe are the ringmasters of this entire world crisis with America turning the way it is.
(also a good portion of the Russian navy is creating a coral reef at the bottom of the black sea, where it belongs)
There would be a problem of “you go first…”
If the US became Imperialistic, and I mean old-school Imperial, non of this new age cultural or economic imperialism, then they could probably “take” their first conquest or two without much opposition. In this case Canada and Greenland would probably fall to US occupation.
It’s what would happen next that would destroy the American Empire. Everything you said is true, and every one of the US’s allies would wonder if they are next. If Canada, the US’s closest ally for generations cannot trust the US who can? The clear answer is no one. I would expect a swift unravelling of the global order. The EU would be an interesting case. With a belligerent (but failing) Russia to the East, and their long standing guarantor of peace suddenly no better, would it crack under the stress or would something more capable emerge?
It’s a horrific dystopian future we face, the entire globe would be plunged into an era of increased tension and military spending in the best case.
The current US “empire” has shown that buying something is cheaper and more beneficial than conquering something. In a few short years Trump might effectively vastly increase the cost of power from Canadian hydro facilities and at the same time scare away any others that would do business with them.