It’s a piece of media that’s critical of a fascist regime, and the person who says it’s fake is a .ml
if they ever answer, it’ll be dismissive about how all western media is biased against china/nk/Russia. That’s as close to an explanation of “why it’s fake” as you’ll get.
You should always be critical of any media that doesn’t have a concrete source though. I don’t personally know anything about radiofreeasia, so fuck if I know how reliable they are to begin with.
if they ever answer, it’ll be dismissive about how all western media is biased against china/nk/Russia. That’s as close to an explanation of “why it’s fake” as you’ll get.
Look through the modlog for Removed Comments. The answers kesucay is removing talk about how it’s a CIA-linked org with staff appointed by Washington.
38north.org is a pretty decent source on North Korean news.
Or actually attack the credibility of the story.
You have the burden of proof backwards: WHY would anyone believe that “hot dogs are banned in North Korea”. It simply makes no sense. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
There’s no reason to think the story is credible. I’ve searched it and it appears RFA posted it in November, then The Sun picked it up 3 days ago. Then various repeaters.
Are you saying RFA isn’t a branch of US interests? I have never heard anyone make that claim before.
No, I’m saying that their reporting and fact-checking is credible.
38north.org is a pretty decent source on North Korean news.
Yes, it certainly appears to be.
You have the burden of proof backwards: WHY would anyone believe that “hot dogs are banned in North Korea”. It simply makes no sense. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
Because North Korea’s dictatorship has a well-documented history of atrocities and bizarre, freedom-limiting proclamations. Heck, it’s well-known for banning foods that it considers contrary to its culture, such as sushi, and it’s hard to imagine a more western food than hotdogs.
There’s no reason to think the story is credible. I’ve searched it and it appears RFA posted it in November, then The Sun picked it up 3 days ago. Then various repeaters.
a well-documented history of atrocities and bizarre, freedom-limiting proclamations… it’s well-known for banning foods that it considers contrary to its culture, such as sushi
You are coming across as someone who believes things they read on the internet.
People have done a good job in the more upvoted comments of showing you why you’re jumping to conclusions, but you keep doubling down like you have something to prove.
Pyongyang is not North Korea. It’s a Potemkin village designed to present a false image to the rest of the world.
And it’s hilarious to accuse me of jumping to conclusions when all I’ve been saying is that RFA is credible and we don’t have a reason to believe they’re lying about this.
If we end up with evidence that they’re lying, I’ll happily remove the post.
On closer inspection, everyone who claimed it’s fake is from .ml, and they all post to the same anti-western, pro-fascist subs. I think they’re brigading everywhere this story got posted.
I’m not sure why you linked that video. The haircut thing wasn’t strictly compulsory, but North Korean state television did, in fact, broadcast a show called Let’s trim our hair in accordance with the socialist lifestyle, along with another show that used hidden cameras to find and shame people whose haircuts didn’t meet their standards.
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/haircut-03262014163017.html that’s not what radio free asia reports… so even if what you’re saying is true, it’s still radio free asia knowingly lying… and if the headline was “dumb socialist tv show tells people to have the same hairstyle as kim jong un” then it loses all impact.
Why doesn’t radio free asia let us verify their claims with the evidence they must have gathered to make the report? Y’know, like a reputable news agency would?
That’s a different story from 2014, not about the 2005 broadcast.
Why doesn’t radio free asia let us verify their claims with the evidence they must have gathered to make the report? Y’know, like a reputable news agency would?
You might as well ask why journalists don’t put targets on the backs of their anonymous sources by publicly identifying them. ALL reputable outlets sometimes use anonymous sources to protect the lives of people living in precarious situations. North Korea is not exactly known for treating citizens who talk negatively about how the government operates there well.
I don’t know why you’re trying to claim this is fake, Radio Free Asia is a credible source, and North Korea is ruled by a brutal and insane dictator. This is a credible news story, and it stays.
Mediabiasfactcheck is not exactly unbiased themselves.
They’re self-contradictory in their own assessment here. They find no failed fact checks, yet their accuracy is rated as “High”, not “Very high”. No motivation is provided for this. They also state RFA lists sources, but most articles on North-Korea especially only cite “Residents in the country”, thus not providing anything verifiable. It’s also why most major news outlets don’t use RFA as a source, their stories are not verifiable. It’s mostly sensationalist tabloids like The Sun in this instance that uses them as a source.
Additionally, Wikipedia does mention some failed fact checks, especially concerning anti-vaccine misinformation. See the article here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia under Controversies.
RFA is not a particularly credible source for this reason. It’s basically impossible to prove many of their claims, so scepticism is warranted.
This of course doesn’t detract from the fact that NK is ruled by a nutcase dictator who brutally oppresses his people. But we don’t have to necessarily trust a story with as much credibility as some fanfiction here. This story could well be true, but I don’t want to assume that this is fact based on the nonexistent sourcing.
The service, which provides editorially independent reporting,[6][7][8][9][10][11] has the stated mission of providing accurate and uncensored reporting to countries in Asia that have poor media environments and limited protections for speech and press freedom.
6 references to the Independent reporting part!
Seems pretty OK to me.
Ah. So you don’t actually have any credible citations to back up your contentions about RFA, you just don’t like them saying true things that put North Korea (!) in a negative light.
Weird to go to bat for an insane dictator, but hey, you do you.
Or rather, I should say, you do you somewhere else. Not here. Bye.
Every pro-North Korea post was coming from a group of accounts that all post to the same anti-Western and pro-fascism subs on .ml. I’ve banned the lot of them, and don’t feel the slightest twinge of remorse about it.
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The hotdog looked at you?
Noooo its true! Kim Korea bad!!!
How so? Genuinely asking. Is that not a credible source?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BO83Ig-E8E
It’s a piece of media that’s critical of a fascist regime, and the person who says it’s fake is a .ml
if they ever answer, it’ll be dismissive about how all western media is biased against china/nk/Russia. That’s as close to an explanation of “why it’s fake” as you’ll get.
You should always be critical of any media that doesn’t have a concrete source though. I don’t personally know anything about radiofreeasia, so fuck if I know how reliable they are to begin with.
Look through the modlog for Removed Comments. The answers kesucay is removing talk about how it’s a CIA-linked org with staff appointed by Washington.
And none of them back those claims up. Or actually attack the credibility of the story.
Now then, are you here to defend Kim Jong Un too?
“those claims” meaning that RFA is linked to US intelligence/politics?
Are you saying RFA isn’t a branch of US interests? I have never heard anyone make that claim before.
See 1st paragraph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Agency_for_Global_Media
38north.org is a pretty decent source on North Korean news.
You have the burden of proof backwards: WHY would anyone believe that “hot dogs are banned in North Korea”. It simply makes no sense. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
There’s no reason to think the story is credible. I’ve searched it and it appears RFA posted it in November, then The Sun picked it up 3 days ago. Then various repeaters.
No, I’m saying that their reporting and fact-checking is credible.
Yes, it certainly appears to be.
Because North Korea’s dictatorship has a well-documented history of atrocities and bizarre, freedom-limiting proclamations. Heck, it’s well-known for banning foods that it considers contrary to its culture, such as sushi, and it’s hard to imagine a more western food than hotdogs.
And RFA is credible.
“well-documented”… then a link to worldpopulationreview.com without a mention of their source??
You are coming across as someone who believes things they read on the internet.
People have done a good job in the more upvoted comments of showing you why you’re jumping to conclusions, but you keep doubling down like you have something to prove.
Here’s Vice saying many Pyongyang residents love sushi.
Pyongyang is not North Korea. It’s a Potemkin village designed to present a false image to the rest of the world.
And it’s hilarious to accuse me of jumping to conclusions when all I’ve been saying is that RFA is credible and we don’t have a reason to believe they’re lying about this.
If we end up with evidence that they’re lying, I’ll happily remove the post.
On closer inspection, everyone who claimed it’s fake is from .ml, and they all post to the same anti-western, pro-fascist subs. I think they’re brigading everywhere this story got posted.
I’ll be banning the lot of them shortly.
It is absolutely a credible source.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/radio-free-asia/
I’m not sure what Porcupine is going on about.
i’ve found so many easily verifiably false things on rfa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BO83Ig-E8E
I’m not sure why you linked that video. The haircut thing wasn’t strictly compulsory, but North Korean state television did, in fact, broadcast a show called Let’s trim our hair in accordance with the socialist lifestyle, along with another show that used hidden cameras to find and shame people whose haircuts didn’t meet their standards.
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/haircut-03262014163017.html that’s not what radio free asia reports… so even if what you’re saying is true, it’s still radio free asia knowingly lying… and if the headline was “dumb socialist tv show tells people to have the same hairstyle as kim jong un” then it loses all impact.
Why doesn’t radio free asia let us verify their claims with the evidence they must have gathered to make the report? Y’know, like a reputable news agency would?
That’s a different story from 2014, not about the 2005 broadcast.
You might as well ask why journalists don’t put targets on the backs of their anonymous sources by publicly identifying them. ALL reputable outlets sometimes use anonymous sources to protect the lives of people living in precarious situations. North Korea is not exactly known for treating citizens who talk negatively about how the government operates there well.
If their source is “some guy said” that’s not a credible report, even with a name.
If their anonymous sources are incapable of gathering evidence anonymously, they are useless sources.
Why don’t they post evidence of their claims, they don’t need to give names or anything?
A name wouldn’t be evidence of anything anyway…
Also the fact that it’s a different story from 2014 ruins your point not the other way around…
No.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/radio-free-asia/
I don’t know why you’re trying to claim this is fake, Radio Free Asia is a credible source, and North Korea is ruled by a brutal and insane dictator. This is a credible news story, and it stays.
Mediabiasfactcheck is not exactly unbiased themselves.
They’re self-contradictory in their own assessment here. They find no failed fact checks, yet their accuracy is rated as “High”, not “Very high”. No motivation is provided for this. They also state RFA lists sources, but most articles on North-Korea especially only cite “Residents in the country”, thus not providing anything verifiable. It’s also why most major news outlets don’t use RFA as a source, their stories are not verifiable. It’s mostly sensationalist tabloids like The Sun in this instance that uses them as a source.
Additionally, Wikipedia does mention some failed fact checks, especially concerning anti-vaccine misinformation. See the article here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia under Controversies.
RFA is not a particularly credible source for this reason. It’s basically impossible to prove many of their claims, so scepticism is warranted.
This of course doesn’t detract from the fact that NK is ruled by a nutcase dictator who brutally oppresses his people. But we don’t have to necessarily trust a story with as much credibility as some fanfiction here. This story could well be true, but I don’t want to assume that this is fact based on the nonexistent sourcing.
Yep, mbfc is as credible as radio free asia. Long live the CIA press, god of burguerlanders
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Based on what? That you don’t know it?
https://www.rfa.org/english/
I don’t see anything particularly wrong with it on the surface.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia
6 references to the Independent reporting part! Seems pretty OK to me.
Imagine defending RFA
Please provide backing for claims that this story is fake and that Radio Free Asia is not credible.
The facts –
Radio Free Asia was involved in anti-vaxx campaigns in the Philippines
Radio Free Asia is associated by Radio Free Europe, a CIA operation to smear anti-USA regimes.
RFA staff are appointed by the government of the USA, known to be hostile to North Korea
Also, the story is just silly on the face of it and common sense says it’s made-up.
Source for anti-vax claim?
You do know where DW, the one source you provide, gets its money?
The comment thread from this point down is useless.
There, wasn’t that easier than debating “whose job” it is to look up Wikipedia?
Buffalox already posted it.
? I’m not going to hunt down whatever you’re referring to.
DW money?
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Brandolini’s law moment.
You want me to “hunt down” the DW background? I’ll do the labour if you do, ok?
Ah. So you don’t actually have any credible citations to back up your contentions about RFA, you just don’t like them saying true things that put North Korea (!) in a negative light.
Weird to go to bat for an insane dictator, but hey, you do you.
Or rather, I should say, you do you somewhere else. Not here. Bye.
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They banned them for being a dedicated propaganda account for complying with their request. This shows two things:
psycho killer: kescusay
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Every pro-North Korea post was coming from a group of accounts that all post to the same anti-Western and pro-fascism subs on .ml. I’ve banned the lot of them, and don’t feel the slightest twinge of remorse about it.
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lolno I didn’t. Don’t put words in my mouth.