@chgowiz I suppose the interesting aspect of these PDAs by corporatists is the blatant fealty and corruption put on public display. At least with the establishment Democrats, it was kept behind closed doors but now it’s like they are truly afraid Trump and Elon will literally go after them using law enforcement and the courts, the military, and Congress like mob enforcers if they don’t very publicly kneel before him.
Ok, but the implication of your post is that we shouldn’t give Apple money because they’re a bad corporation. So is Google. Yet we require these products to function in modern society. So, what do you suggest?
Because Apple people tend to think Apple is privacy focused and somehow less guilty than other brands. That is something particular about Apple’s customers, but not Apple itself. Apple itself is just another corporation doing corporate things.
No, I know exactly how Google makes money. And you’re giving it to them. Sure, you avoid their tracking, but if you think they sell their phones at a loss, you’re a fool. Good day.
Apple products are objectively mid at best. They make over priced products then spend way too much on advertising convincing foolish people that their mid products are basically luxury. It’s all crap.
@D1G17AL@fourish That may be true and I would not spend that kind of money if it weren’t for the ecosystem.
And, since the DNA of Apple is building and selling hardware, it’s only logical that they can be a privacy advocate. At least more so than other big companies.
Final point: they are the only tech company with professional customer care (where you pay for, one way or the other) that actually helps and saved my ass a couple of times in the past.
Trying to make someone like you understand how you’ve actually harmed yourself is too time consuming. Apple is not good. You’ve fooled yourself into believing their lies about being pro-user. They just want your money and they want to sell you a MID grade product at best.
Android OS, Firefox Browser with ublock and ABP, who gives a shit about cookies, vpn’s aren’t needed unless you are trying to access region restricted information and data, lock down mode is probably excessive. You are probably not important enough to worry about most of those. The biggest issue for regular users is understanding when to open emails and click links. Most people make the mistake of clicking the wrong thing or opening the wrong email or message and then they get targeted by scammers. That’s the biggest risk most average people face is getting their info into the hands of scammers. State-level hackers don’t give a shit about anybody that doesn’t have some government access. If you don’t work for the government in your country then most state-level hacker’s don’t care about you.
Just practice good habits when it comes to opening links and visiting good and bad websites.
@D1G17AL I’m not particularly afraid of state hackers but working for a law firm I have to max out on protecting our clients against hackers. Being non-technical I’ve assumed that Apple would be the better option (and hence lock down mode and VPN). I have a hard time believing that Android would be more secure than iOS, (and I do realise most dangers come from phishing mails, but that’s a bit off topic).
Anyway; it’s a strong argument to look into switching to the Samsung Flip.
DNA of Apple is building and selling hardware, it’s only logical that they can be a privacy advocate
You’d think so, but when you look at their privacy policies and see how much tracking they do to sell you ads, you realize they aren’t any different and never have been.
@Xatolos@reddthat. AFAMIG this is to promote Apples own services and products only.
I’ve been on Apple devices since 2001 and have never received or seen an add for non-Apple products on any of my devices. So I’m inclined to believe that my profile is not being sold by Apple to third parties. Which is normal and common to happen to my Facebook or Google profile.
Facebook and Google do not sell your profile, they sell access to you as a customer, same as Apple does. They aren’t going to sell the keys to their kingdom. And Apple has ads in quite a few places. Search Ads. Apple News and Stocks also shows ads.
What you have described are data brokers, which is something different and has nothing to do with selling you ads.
Rich people fight for rich people. Remember this when you make decisions about giving corporations money.
Especially looking at you, Apple people.
@circuitfarmer @cantankerous_cashew @apple_enthusiast or Walmart or Amazon or… it’s inescapable
100%. And even if it weren’t inescapable, the general strategy about leaning on the side of caution means you really shouldn’t trust any corporation.
@chgowiz I suppose the interesting aspect of these PDAs by corporatists is the blatant fealty and corruption put on public display. At least with the establishment Democrats, it was kept behind closed doors but now it’s like they are truly afraid Trump and Elon will literally go after them using law enforcement and the courts, the military, and Congress like mob enforcers if they don’t very publicly kneel before him.
Oh cool I’ll just get my phone and mobile OS from this upstart named “goggle” or something?
The nonexistence of alternatives doesn’t mean Apple isn’t just as bad as the rest.
Ok, but the implication of your post is that we shouldn’t give Apple money because they’re a bad corporation. So is Google. Yet we require these products to function in modern society. So, what do you suggest?
There doesn’t have to be any good option. The world doesn’t work that way. Smartphones exist largely to collect data from people.
I’m not denying that, but your original comment was that especially Apple customers are bad.
Because Apple people tend to think Apple is privacy focused and somehow less guilty than other brands. That is something particular about Apple’s customers, but not Apple itself. Apple itself is just another corporation doing corporate things.
Not this guy. I just use Apple because the devices and experience are better for me. I’m under no delusions, nor should anyone else be.
Custom ROM pixel is the best choice on the market if you actually care to fight the clown corpos…
Or just do nothing and consoom like a good little boy.
If you buy a Pixel, you’re still supporting Google. So miss me with that sanctimonious shit.
You have poor understanding how Google makes money.
They need you using that phone with their spyware, they sell pixels to lock people up in their shiti GPS bullshit. Custom Rom fixes that issue.
Also, buy a second hand pixel if you really trying to do the full mile to dent the parasite profit.
No, I know exactly how Google makes money. And you’re giving it to them. Sure, you avoid their tracking, but if you think they sell their phones at a loss, you’re a fool. Good day.
Dense
Apple makes great products. I will continue to buy them. Shrug.
Apple products are objectively mid at best. They make over priced products then spend way too much on advertising convincing foolish people that their mid products are basically luxury. It’s all crap.
@D1G17AL @fourish That may be true and I would not spend that kind of money if it weren’t for the ecosystem.
And, since the DNA of Apple is building and selling hardware, it’s only logical that they can be a privacy advocate. At least more so than other big companies.
Final point: they are the only tech company with professional customer care (where you pay for, one way or the other) that actually helps and saved my ass a couple of times in the past.
Aren’t you precious. lol.
Trying to make someone like you understand how you’ve actually harmed yourself is too time consuming. Apple is not good. You’ve fooled yourself into believing their lies about being pro-user. They just want your money and they want to sell you a MID grade product at best.
@D1G17AL Fine; what’s the alternative? I already run a VPN (actually two), use lock down mode, don’t accept cookies and use two add-blockers.
Not very fond of Apple for a completely different reason: battery life. So there your right. A mediocre performance at a top price.
So, what would be a better, more secure option than the methods / setup I use right now?
Android OS, Firefox Browser with ublock and ABP, who gives a shit about cookies, vpn’s aren’t needed unless you are trying to access region restricted information and data, lock down mode is probably excessive. You are probably not important enough to worry about most of those. The biggest issue for regular users is understanding when to open emails and click links. Most people make the mistake of clicking the wrong thing or opening the wrong email or message and then they get targeted by scammers. That’s the biggest risk most average people face is getting their info into the hands of scammers. State-level hackers don’t give a shit about anybody that doesn’t have some government access. If you don’t work for the government in your country then most state-level hacker’s don’t care about you.
Just practice good habits when it comes to opening links and visiting good and bad websites.
@D1G17AL I’m not particularly afraid of state hackers but working for a law firm I have to max out on protecting our clients against hackers. Being non-technical I’ve assumed that Apple would be the better option (and hence lock down mode and VPN). I have a hard time believing that Android would be more secure than iOS, (and I do realise most dangers come from phishing mails, but that’s a bit off topic).
Anyway; it’s a strong argument to look into switching to the Samsung Flip.
You’d think so, but when you look at their privacy policies and see how much tracking they do to sell you ads, you realize they aren’t any different and never have been.
https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-advertising/
@Xatolos@reddthat. AFAMIG this is to promote Apples own services and products only.
I’ve been on Apple devices since 2001 and have never received or seen an add for non-Apple products on any of my devices. So I’m inclined to believe that my profile is not being sold by Apple to third parties. Which is normal and common to happen to my Facebook or Google profile.
Facebook and Google do not sell your profile, they sell access to you as a customer, same as Apple does. They aren’t going to sell the keys to their kingdom. And Apple has ads in quite a few places. Search Ads. Apple News and Stocks also shows ads.
What you have described are data brokers, which is something different and has nothing to do with selling you ads.
I mean, they don’t. But they have convinced you as such.