I escaped the Reddit regime a little while ago. I consider myself a marxist-leninist-MZT. Vegetarian and vegan for a few years. I’ve a lot of thoughts on how marxism and veganism are connected. Never wrote them down. I’d like to start smth like a club for marxist vegans to develop our own proletarian theory. Most vegan theory I found is either openly bourgeois (Francione is a literal TERF) or revisionist (anti-China, anarchist, libertarian). How about fixing this?

  • qcop [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    101·
    7 days ago

    lmao I’ve visited the balkans many times, namely Bosnia and Croatia and never had any issues with being a vegan. You do realize there are vegans in the balkans right? Most people I met there were way more understanding of it than you seem to be, but I guess you think your region would beat up people for disagreeing. Sorry to disappoint you but your region is better than you.

    All you do is weak appeals to nature and you even tried to justify your shitty view by invoking Jesus lmao.

    You’re the one coming into a post specifically asking about how vegan communists could get together and antagonizing people, who is the one stirring shit up? I guess for you the only people that are nice are the people that don’t speak up about things they believe in. Are you a fucking centrist lib? “The only leftists I like are the ones that shut up about it” is a lib take comrade.

    To educate you on milk as you apparently have never thought about how milk is produced, you do realize that mammals only produce milk when they have a baby right? Here’s how milk is produced in our society:

    • You masturbate a bull and get their semen
    • You forcibly inject this semen in a cow’s vagina while shoving your fist in their anus to hold their cervix
    • You wait 9 months.
    • You take away their baby veal after they are born and either send them to slaughter for veal or to the barn to follow the same destiny as their mother
    • You repeat this cycle every year until the milk production of the cow decreases enough so that it’s not profitable to keep the cow alive (usually no more than 5-6 years, whereas thein normal life expectancy can be 15-20years)
    • Then you send the cow to the slaughterhouse.

    Killing is most of the process of producing milk. If you gave me the choice between being a dairy cow or a meat cow, I’d choose being a meat cow anyday of the week as at least the suffering would be lessened.

    • Kirbywithwhip1987@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      26·
      7 days ago

      Well you certainly met some polite people and didn’t bother them like you do it online, because here where I live specifically, this shit is not tolerated, of course you can be, it’s your choice and no one would like beat you up because of it if you thought that, but to start to moralize and constantly bother other people with this is not allowed. You’re definitely polite irl and don’t act like those lunatics who barge into restaurants, harass people and steal their animals. There are vegans here but they are in minority as they are everywhere else.

      I just mentioned ultra religious people because they can be some of the most annoying people imaginable, yet even they don’t do this and don’t come on this level. I didn’t mention to appeal to anything, just to show how far vegans can go when they surpass even them.

      This is the general consensus you’ll get here:

      https://www.reddit.com/r/serbia/comments/u0ekxo/what_do_serbians_think_about_vegetarianism/

      I just said that I don’t get it, I literally never said that I would like to do it. But most vegans seem to assume that all people want to start to eat only grass so badly and automatically assumed that I wanted it to when I never said that. You’re not going to transform the food chain and diet of entire human race just because you dislike meat, we’re omnivores and if you like taking pills or whatnot later in life because of teeth problems, I’m not the one to judge. Go against slaughterhouses and fast food companies which are inhumane and are consequences of capitalism, but leave normal people and farmers tf alone.

      Guess what, my grandparents didn’t send animals to slaughterhouses and didn’t participate in it, they were just normal farmers as are most people from villages here and my uncle is a hunter, not a poacher who kills hundreds of members of near extinct species. If you cared so much about nature you’d know that plants are also living things, yet you eat them? Wait, even some plants are carnivorous.

      And of course, a certain Austrian painter was a vegan later in his life, is he by any chance better than 99% of human population which eats meat just because of it? So if you’re going to equate eating a fish or drinking milk with blowing up a building full of innocent civilians, don’t do it with other people. Communism is a political ideology and being vegan is dietary choice, a communist shouldn’t give a shit if someone is vegan/vegetarian or not and certainly not try to brainwash people into it.