I escaped the Reddit regime a little while ago. I consider myself a marxist-leninist-MZT. Vegetarian and vegan for a few years. I’ve a lot of thoughts on how marxism and veganism are connected. Never wrote them down. I’d like to start smth like a club for marxist vegans to develop our own proletarian theory. Most vegan theory I found is either openly bourgeois (Francione is a literal TERF) or revisionist (anti-China, anarchist, libertarian). How about fixing this?
Idk I’m simply omnivore I guess. My body genuinely misses something if I go without it or fish for extended periods of time. A lot of people I know can’t.
cravings won’t kill you. you’re conflating a desire and a need.
I mean, we’re apes, so we’re definitely natural omnivores without a doubt, I guess that explains it.
Omnivore means you can eat meat, it does not mean you need to eat meat.
Well guess what I prefer it and dislike most plant based stuff except few fruits and vegetables.
this is genuinely what toddlers sound like. “i don’t like broccoli, i want chicken nuggets!”
Yeah I hate broccoli, but this’ll shock you, I never eat chicken nuggets either, I love it classically cooked/roasted, particularly wings and legs. But just because I love potatoes, watermelon, oranges, grapes and peach doesn’t mean that I love every single plant and that my diet has to consist exclusively on it.
It could go the other way: ‘‘I want to eat only plants and force it upon others just because I dislike meat and can’t comprehend the fact that human beings are omnivorous and ate meat since we came to existence’’.
I’d recommend you to explain this stuff to a Polar or Grizzly Bear… Actually don’t, bad idea, try it with Raccoons and Crows instead for starters and see how it goes.
no one lacks comprehension of the fact that humans have historically eaten meat. we’re just making the (obvious, factual) claim that you don’t require it to survive in any capacity. your body won’t shut down without it. i’m not particularly interested in how you like your corpses cooked, at this point i’m alternately making fun of your childlike palate and making it clear that your claim that humans “need” to eat dead animals is goofy as fuck and you should be embarrassed about saying something so ignorant.
You don’t, but it’s not healthy(I’m talking about not eating even fish or milk) and humans ALWAYS historically had balanced diet of both since you simply can’t get something which is exclusive to meat from a plant, includes vitamins, calcium etc. You should be embarrassed just like the others like you who force this shit onto people and act like you have some high ground, it’s a choice, plain and simple. There’s a lot of things to be angry about in the world and natural eating diets, omnivores and carnivores aren’t one of them.
And don’t eat Venus Flytrap by any chance, it’s carnivorous.
o…kay? but that still doesn’t make it a requirement for you or anyone else. it’s just something you like. you can live without it just like every vegan does.
i’m not forcing you at gunpoint obviously, just pointing out that your reasoning is completely silly
It’s not that, it’s natural for humans, we’re omnivores by nature, being vegan is a choice yes.
yes, as is choosing to kill living beings in order to eat their flesh. you are making a willing choice to contribute to more suffering in the world.
Plants are also living beings, your point is…
What did your ancestors do? Did they eat grass all the time or did they hunt Mammoths and Deer? I never: poached, killed endangered species, tortured innocent animals, wasted food, encourage slaughterhouses or hunt species on the brink of extinction. So no.
You wouldn’t mentally survive 2 days in the Balkans I swear to Christ.
i’m a white person in the united states, so my ancestors probably did a lot of genocide mostly. i don’t think i’m going to look to their example for anything.
you’re the one who’s afraid of vegetables lol, i don’t think you have any ground to stand on talking about what other people would and wouldn’t survive
That too, so think about it before you judge other places, but I meant ancestors as in caveman since humans first came to be.
There are many proteins and calories in meat and fish which you simply won’t get from plants only, human beings are naturally omnivores, it’s not good to eat way too much of either, the best is a balanced diet, especially in case of weight problems or so. You can choose to eat only plants but that’s not my problem. The problem is that this is my first time encountering a salty vegan who wants to force this shit to others if we ignore that one time when some mf tried to kidnap a chicken from store which I heard of… I ate fruits and some vegetables (potato) but I eat and prefer other stuff a lot more.
As I said, you wouldn’t last 2 days in Balkans.
Actually, we might be opportunistic omnivores. Animals that we might otherwise think of as herbivores, like deer and rabbits, will occasionally eat meat when they crave it and when a scavenging opportunity presents itself.
Yeah even some herbivores take some meat from time to time, even Elephants did it.
I mean, just like a substance or sugar withdrawal.
But it’s not same, substance is mostly damaging, meat is healthy and I love it while I dislike most of plant based food except fruits and some vegetables.
Someone has to kill and prepare your meat, though, and it’s mentally and physically unhealthy. Don’t forget the worker.
There are people who’s job it or live at village and do it frequently without any problems. I’m from Balkans, here is weird if you don’t eat meat(or at least fish), it’s completely normal to us.
Based on the mental illnesses that are associated with slaughter work, I don’t believe they do it “without any problems”. They are able to cope with the harm they’re doing to themselves, but fundamentally we all empathize with animals and it hurts to hurt them.
I’ve killed animals. I fucking hate it and I won’t do it again if I can help it. It hurts.
Don’t do it if you hate it. But here in Balkans it’s completely normal for livestock and fish, including hunting, it’s day to day life in village.
Don’t get me wrong because we obviously hate poachers and there’s always an uproar when innocent wild animals are harmed or endangered, but eating livestock is normal, people get weirded out when you don’t.
A lot of unhealthy things have been normal at different points in history, so I don’t really see your point.
You just called my entire peninsula unhealthy because we eat livestock meat…
I’ll tell you what’s unhealthy: settlers going to American continent and almost exterminating Bisons and various other animals Natives consumed, killing and wasting millions of Turkeys yearly for a racist holiday, bringing a predator which kills for sport to every overseas continent which resulted in extermination of dozens of species of native animals and of course poaching Elephants, Rhinos and various other endangered animals in Africa.
I don’t think it’s particularly healthy to think of the life of your fellow animal as disposable simply for the sake of your own pleasure.
I don’t see other apes or Grizzly for that matter thinking about fish while they’re eating it.
I feel for apes, canines, reptiles and of course endangered species, obviously no one should touch them. But we simply eat livestock and fish and did since prehistory, it’s normal.
Are you really going to turn to Travis the chimpanzee for your moral compass?
That one was on drugs. My moral compass would be bear, don’t try to present me like an Orca or Mantis in terms of it.
Are you saying that sober apes are known for being good role models?
Orangutans are pretty chill, also gorillas if you don’t anger them.
so it isn’t a need, it’s a craving. you “can’t live without meat” the same way a lib “can’t live without Hogwarts Legacy”.
also, apes are mostly frigivores and dont eat meat. biologically speaking we are also frugivores. what kind of omnivore needs to cook, cut, and season the meat before eating it, and then still have stomach and heart issues afterwards? we aren’t biologically designed to chew nor consume meat. if we were, we’d be able to pick meat right off the bone of a dead animal and eat it then and there, and not have any kind of issues about eating raw meat or too much cholesterol.
This is literally bullshit comparison and I’m not even going to waste my time explaining why.
Baboons, Orangutans and Chimps absolutely eat meat and fish. Also Grizzly who is an omnivore but eats fish and hunts deer and moose all the time. We can’t eat grass, bamboo and leaves from trees either so what’s your point? We are biological omnivores and meat(if not animal meat, then fish) has many proteins and calories. So yeah you can’t force me like my father’s side of gosh darn conservative and religious family(even they ate fish) because I don’t actually and never liked plants except some fruits and few vegetables like potato at all.