My point is, the genocide that was the planned famine has nothing to do do with communism the economic system and was a result of a fascist dictator. Capitalism is fucking awful, and trying to erase Soviet atrocities to make it look worse in comparison is not only evil but completely unnecessary.
The second issue is that one of the main causes of the famine was crop failure due to weather and disease, which is hardly something anyone can control no matter their intentions. However, the famine may have been further exacerbated by the agricultural collectivization and rapid industrialization policies of the Soviet Union.
The absolute idiocy of Stalin made the situation much worse and mostly everyone saw it coming. Stalin went ahead with anyway, forcing peasants into collective farms and then requisitioning by force all their grain. It sure kept the uppity peasants weaker and easier to control but pretty sick thing to do.
However, if these policies had not been carried out there could have been even more devastating consequences later.
Lmao. If they had properly planned things and didn’t rush into industrialization with just ideological fervor, things could’ve been better. Famine would’ve been not as bad for sure and a lot of investments wouldn’t have been wasted.
What the fuck is wrong with capitalists that they act like they didn’t kill and enslave a whole bunch of people (and continue to) and instead are like but but communist famine!
Edit: Downvote me all you want liberals. I don’t support the USSR and never did. But western history is so full of shit - communism bad capitalism good! Meanwhile how many people has capitalism killed? How many millions?
I stand by my wording. Liberals harp about a famine caused by multiple factors and completely ignore the genocide of natives and enslavement of Africans and their descendants caused directly by capitalism and its prototype.
Slavery is still legal thanks to the 13th amendment.
Yeah I can’t even do the math. Take all the native peoples killed worldwide, take all of the slavery since colonialism, and then of course all the proxy wars in the fight between the US and “communism”, and all of the pillaging by American multinationals in the third world countries for resources. It might even be a billion at this point.
I love when people talk about those killed by communism they love to gloss over who killed the Nazis and how that’s part of the numbers…
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I think the point is more that there’s a ton of focus on the evils on non-capitalist systems, but no mention of capitalist evils
My point is, the genocide that was the planned famine has nothing to do do with communism the economic system and was a result of a fascist dictator. Capitalism is fucking awful, and trying to erase Soviet atrocities to make it look worse in comparison is not only evil but completely unnecessary.
I think the point is to make communism look viable.
Communism is a stage of civilizational development
nothing is guaranteed except death
And taxes
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https://theholytachanka.com/wiki/the-holomodor/
The absolute idiocy of Stalin made the situation much worse and mostly everyone saw it coming. Stalin went ahead with anyway, forcing peasants into collective farms and then requisitioning by force all their grain. It sure kept the uppity peasants weaker and easier to control but pretty sick thing to do.
Lmao. If they had properly planned things and didn’t rush into industrialization with just ideological fervor, things could’ve been better. Famine would’ve been not as bad for sure and a lot of investments wouldn’t have been wasted.
Ah yes, this random website is TOTALLY CREDIBLE.
As opposed to the nothing that you offered.
A lot of credible sources at the bottom
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Because the basic understanding western plebs have of the holodomor have its roots in anti communist 1950s propaganda with all context removed.
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What the fuck is wrong with capitalists that they act like they didn’t kill and enslave a whole bunch of people (and continue to) and instead are like but but communist famine!
Edit: Downvote me all you want liberals. I don’t support the USSR and never did. But western history is so full of shit - communism bad capitalism good! Meanwhile how many people has capitalism killed? How many millions?
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Honesty is important and we can talk about both things.
Clearly by the downvotes I receive, no we can’t. We can’t talk about the atrocities of capitalism because omg a famine happened communism bad!
I’m sure it has nothing to do with how your comment is worded…
I stand by my wording. Liberals harp about a famine caused by multiple factors and completely ignore the genocide of natives and enslavement of Africans and their descendants caused directly by capitalism and its prototype.
Slavery is still legal thanks to the 13th amendment.
*hundreds of millions
Yeah I can’t even do the math. Take all the native peoples killed worldwide, take all of the slavery since colonialism, and then of course all the proxy wars in the fight between the US and “communism”, and all of the pillaging by American multinationals in the third world countries for resources. It might even be a billion at this point.
I love when people talk about those killed by communism they love to gloss over who killed the Nazis and how that’s part of the numbers…
I hate how tankie has become a pejorative used by low information posters for anyone left of center.
And how center keeps drifting rightward.
what are tankies if not fans of stalin?
What centrists call anyone to the left of Netanyahu.
Liberals love their slurs
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Yes, exactly; because tankie is a pejorative used by low information posters for anyone left of center.
Always was