Summary

Russia launched a major attack on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure on Christmas Day, using 184 missiles and drones, resulting in power cuts across the country.

Ukrainian President Zelensky condemned the attack, calling it “inhumane” and a “conscious choice” by Russia.

Despite the damage and casualties, Ukrainians remain resilient, celebrating Christmas amidst the crisis.

  • Skiluros@sh.itjust.works
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    3 days ago

    I am just pointing out that you have a sophomoric if not outright childish attitude in this thread.

    You’re basically LARPing. If anything the Ukrainian government (privately) has a more negative attitude towards Israel than the public at large (and even with respect to the Ukrainian public, there arguably has been a change over time).

    You don’t speak Ukrainian, you’ve never lived in Ukraine. You have no understanding of Ukrainian attitudes around what’s going in Israel/Palestine.

    And to be honest, it is reasonable to assume you don’t really care about the plight of the Palestinians. It’s mostly a theatrical thing for you.

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      2 days ago

      Most probably just see the Israel Arab conflict as another wing of the same global war that Ukraine is involved in. to Kyiv, Israel is fighting against an amalgamation of terrorist groups and states that are all allied with the aggressor Russia, and some of them are directley aiding Russia’s invasion of Ukraine Iran.

      Thus, when you’re being sold out and stabbed in the back every day, you have to resort to ruthless pragmatism, you can be Pro Ukraine, and Anti-Israel, but you should also recognize that the side fighting against Israel, is also fighting against Ukraine.

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        Most probably just see the Israel Arab conflict as another wing of the same global war that Ukraine is involved in. to Kyiv, Israel is fighting against an amalgamation of terrorist groups and states that are all allied with the aggressor Russia, and some of them are directley aiding Russia’s invasion of Ukraine Iran.

        This is actually somewhat close to the Ukrainian public’s perception of the Israel/Palestine conflict. Well, the part of the public that follows what’s going, most people have more pressing concerns.

        Thus, when you’re being sold out and stabbed in the back every day, you have to resort to ruthless pragmatism, you can be Pro Ukraine, and Anti-Israel, but you should also recognize that the side fighting against Israel, is also fighting against Ukraine.

        I personally have a skeptical view of the Israeli government and I don’t think there is anything Ukraine can do with respect to gaining Israeli support (although I understand and even support the “PR needs” with respect to the US). I get the impression the Netanyahu government is basically a corrupt, oligarch-run ethno-supremacist movement. And the statement by Israel’s finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich:

        “No one in the world will allow us to starve 2 million people, even though it might be justified and moral in order to free the hostages.”

        Sounds very russian to me.

          • Skiluros@sh.itjust.works
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            2 days ago

            Hamas did kill a lot of civilians on october 7th. This does not in any way justify the statements by Smotrich.

            I stand by statement that Smotrich’s statement has a very “russian” quality to it.

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              Most of the dead on october 7th were civilians. Yes, they killed a lot of Israeli soldiers, ambushing them in their outposts. But they killed far more unarmed non-combatants.

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              2 days ago

              I meant the Israelis killed Israelis that day too. I was implying if they cared about hostages they wouldnt shoot them.

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        3 days ago

        I believe he made a statement about converting to Orthodox Christianity. I personally think this was a political move.

        To be honest, I don’t think he believes in the religious polemics of Judaism or Ukrainian Orthodox Christianity.

        I am talking about the detailed religious polemics. Theological axioms. I am an atheist, but I support the Orthodox Church of Ukraine, smaller (pro-Ukrainian) Christian denominations and Crimean Tartar muslim organizations. I would even go as far as saying the government should support them with tax money.

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        3 days ago

        I am just pointing out that you have no clue what you are talking about.

        Your polemics don’t really make any sense (if you actually follow official gov relationships between Ukraine and Israel) and you don’t even understand the basics of Ukrainian attitudes towards Israel/Palestine.

        So why the fuck are you talking about this with such fake confidence?

          • Skiluros@sh.itjust.works
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            You don’t though. You have zero knowledge about Zelensky beyond some high-level english language news articles. You don’t even speak Ukrainian. You’ve never lived in Ukraine.

            You are acting in bad faith. Contrarianism for contrarianism’s sake. You are harming the Palestinian cause with your attitude. That’s why I said you don’t actually care and you’re just doing this for theatrics.