• Lauchs@lemmy.world
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    11 hours ago

    Edit: Well, as horrifying as it is to see how shallow folks understanding of history is, no one is paying me to be online and screaming against tiktok or whatever isn’t that much fun. G’night y’all!

    Unpopular opinion but do folks honestly not understand how those borders shifted? Mostly because a bunch of countries tried to murder the Jews and yeah, Israel took part of their land in the counter offensives.

    If Ukraine kept Kursk, I can’t imagine we’d really be complaining?

    Basically, if you launch a surprise war I think you forfeit the right to be surprised or angry when your land gets taken.

    Edit: Jesus, are the downvoters confused like the response below and think this is talking about Oct 7 as opposed to say, the repeated wars that actually changed the borders? Does TikTok not cover modern history or what?

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      This is if you view the Arab states as the aggressor in 1967 even though Israel was the one who initiated the conflict. If you see Israel as the aggressor in 1967 and the yom kipper war as a counter offensive to take back land that Israel had stolen then it becomes less justifiable.

      It’s more like Russia keeping the Donbas after it launched a “preemptive strike” because it was afraid Ukraine was gonna team up with nato to attack them. Then 5 years after trump forces Ukraine to make peace they launch an offensive into the donbas to take there land back, only to get repelled again.

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      Mostly because a bunch of countries tried to murder the Jews and yeah, Israel took part of their land in the counter offensives.

      Either your ignoring Israeli history older than the babies shot in Gaza, in which case you should finish your studies, or you think this applies throughout Israeli history, in which case you should start your studies.

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        12 hours ago

        What on Earth?

        When do you think the Six Day or Yom Kippur wars happened?

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        11 hours ago

        I appreciate that! Honestly, it’s a little worrying how little historical context folks seem to have.

        Don’t know why I feel compelled to point it out other than being a glutton for punishment.

        Anyway, thanks!

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      Mostly because a bunch of countries tried to murder the Jews and yeah, Israel took part of their land in the counter offensives

      There’s that then-Israeli PM’s statement about how Israel knew Egypt and Syria weren’t going to start a war and yet attacked anyway, you can look it up.

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        10 hours ago

        Last comment didn’t go over well with moderators. To be more polite, I have you tagged as someone with whom it is not worthwhile to engage.

        Regards.

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      How the fuck can a population that you’re killing and stealing the land from start a SURPRISE war?

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        I take it you have 0 knowledge of the Six Day or Yom Kippur wars? Which is how the borders in the headlines moved. I mean, heck, a lot of recent maps of Israel show in which war the territory was taken.

        I kinda guessed folks were ignorant of the history but come on, this is pretty basic stuff.

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          The existence of Israel as a settler-colonial entity nullifies any argument that any resistance in the area can be a “surprise”.

          It shouldn’t exist. It is all stolen land that they are continuing to steal.

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            I mean, Israel was taken from the Jews way back when so by your logic, aren’t they just taking back their land and thus, apparently according to you, allowed to do whatever?

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      Lemmy is anti Israel at best and absurdly anti semitic at worst. Palestine is schrodinger’s country. It exists at the 47 borders, despite the inhabitants at the time rejecting those borders and losing several wars about it.