sorry for any misunderstanding last time. this one is better because it portrays the actor/object relationship between ableists and the language they steal directly rather than implicitly. it’s hard to get a gauge on how everyone reads the memetic text. hoping this works better with the local audience. :)

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      The r-slur is targeted at intellectually disabled people. It’s not something for you to reclaim. When people call non-intellectually disabled autistic people that, the insult is that they’re comparing them to intellectually disabed people.

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      Why “regarded”? I don’t get it tbh. To me it just says that you want to call someone “removed” but you’re just too much of a coward to commit. Like, it communicates the exact same contempt for someone’s cognitive abilities but also an aversion to using a proper No-No Word™ because you don’t wanna transgress some sorta social taboo against them while doing so. Cuck behaviour, ngl chief.

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    OP, at a certain point there has to be a word to describe what is happening. Just because someone uses it in a derogatory manner doesn’t mean that you have to abandon the word or that every usage of it is derogatory.

    See: gay

    Alternatively, make a third meme about it on a niche Internet forum.

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    More than half of those are outdated jargon words from when standard procedure to “cure” ND people (and other undesirables) was lobotomies. They were not claimed.

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    “Neurodivergent” is a bit different though. The r-word says something normative about people’s mental development. It’s saying that the person has been prevented from being normal; that something is wrong with them. “Special needs” indicates that someone requires different resources than what is typical. Much like IQ when it was developed, it’s a way to sort people’s needs on an economic basis, which isn’t poorly intentioned. However, it still labels people by how we need certain things within our socioeconomic system.

    Disorder classification systems like the DSM or ICD seek to normalize people, making sure we “function” in society. It measures us by a set of standards to ensure that we can live independently with our environment. It is very much defined by how society is structured; the environment of industrial capitalism. It doesn’t matter how fulfilling your life is, only that you are a functional cog.

    “Neurodivergence” seeks to avoid the pathology based approach. It says nothing about us having disorders. It instead focuses on us as different and divergent from the norm, but not inherently ill because of who we are. It’s invariant to economic systems or cultural norms, only saying that we are different.

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      Absolutely. All of the terms in the post are a bit different from one another. All came from varying origins and backgrounds and have different histories of how they came to be in my post.

      What they share is a pattern of similarities. They all are originally polite descriptive words that became demeaning.

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        The first four terms became associated with disabilities through the medical field. The first two terms were categories on the IQ-Scale (idiot is the one that comes before imbecile in that scale, btb). The third is a shortening of a medical term conflated with another (spasticity and clonus) and the fourth is another psychological term referring to similar things as the first two.

        Those were originally meant to be clinical but have been abused by those people, they also were created from outside the community (special needs most likely too, as it is a euphemism). I am unsure about “Acoustic”, that might be embracing of a meme, unless it was used as a euphemism for autism by non-autistic people.

        Neurodivergent is different, this is a term coined by a part of the community. I am not sure whether the term endonym is accurate here but it is similar in nature.

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      I can see the argument how there could have been an attempt to reclaim it, much like the n-slur, f-slur, or queer. Not sure if there was actually an attempt or not to reclaim, just to be clear.

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        The difference is that Something like removed is used by someone else, someone who isn’t like that person. It was a clinical term used by clinical people who would never know and could never know the feeling. That is to say it wasn’t great to begin with. People who were “removed” weren’t embracing that for what they were, it was imposed upon them by medical professionals who don’t really understand them as people (many were studying them like specimens). It was primed for derogatory use.

        Neurodivergent on the other hand is a term embraced by the community, it’s used as a self-identifier. It doesn’t have the same oppressive connotations the others did. To turn it into a slur would be like turning transgender into a slur. It won’t work because the group identifies as that, and will keep using it.